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    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 1:17 PM
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    Employee lied to company about new job?
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    • 6th Jul 18, 1:17 PM
    Employee lied to company about new job? 6th Jul 18 at 1:17 PM
    Hey guys,

    Looking for some advice on behalf of a friend regarding his situation.

    My mate has been offered a new job a few weeks ago that he has decided to take, this will mean relocating to the other side of the country etc, but he will be getting better benefits to what he is now, and it's closer to his family (he originally moved up here for work purposes, but could not afford to bring family up, he current rents up here, owns a house down south)

    Now, he has hinted to our manager that he will be leaving, he has a knee problem at the minute and has more or less said that this is the reason he is leaving, he does have a genuine medical problem with it, but has told the manager that he is going in for surgery and will be on long term sick, and thinks it's best to leave rather than remain on the sick (obviously, in reality, he will be going to his new job).

    He's a bit worried though that this may catch up on him, he's put his notice in officially today, stating that it's his knee problem that is the reason is leaving, as they now believe he will be going on long term sick to recover. Can our company come back on to him with this? Or once he's left is there nothing that the company can do?

    Thanks for reading, bit of an odd/confusion situation I know.
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    • LMG1305
    • By LMG1305 6th Jul 18, 1:29 PM
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    Has the new employer asked for a reference? I complete references occasionally for ex employees and I am always asked what the reason for leaving was, so if they contact the old employer the story will all come out & then the new employer might find out that he lied to his old employer & decide that they don't want to employ somebody that has been dishonest.

    Can he just come clean to the old employer? They can't stop him from leaving anyway so I don't understand why he has lied.
    • zx81
    • By zx81 6th Jul 18, 1:29 PM
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    He can leave for whatever reasons he wants to give.

    It's a little odd though that he's fabricating some convoluted story of physical ailments and hobbling around the premises rather than just telling them he's got a new job.

    It's only if they conclude that he is some kind of deluded fantasist and put that in a reference that he would need to worry.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 6th Jul 18, 1:31 PM
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    Why fabricate an excuse when he has a perfectly valid reason to want to leave? It makes no sense at all. Most employers would be sympathetic to an employee who is missing his family and has found a job nearer home.
    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 1:32 PM
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    Has the new employer asked for a reference? I complete references occasionally for ex employees and I am always asked what the reason for leaving was, so if they contact the old employer the story will all come out & then the new employer might find out that he lied to his old employer & decide that they don't want to employ somebody that has been dishonest.

    Can he just come clean to the old employer? They can't stop him from leaving anyway so I don't understand why he has lied.
    Originally posted by LMG1305
    I've got no idea regarding the references. I'm only guessing that if he has been offered the job and he has accepted it that they either already have a reference or they aren't bothering. I've only been here a short while in comparison to the other engineers, but they have all said it's a notoriously hard company to leave without problems, especially when it comes to going to another company.
    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 6th Jul 18, 1:33 PM
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    Why did he lie? You don't have to tell your employer why you are leaving.

    It may come back to bite him if the new employer contacts the old one for a reference.

    I doubt that the existing company could do anything, so long as he gave appropriate notice, but if the new employer finds out he's a liar they may reconsider whether they want him.
    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 1:34 PM
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    He can leave for whatever reasons he wants to give.

    It's a little odd though that he's fabricating some convoluted story of physical ailments and hobbling around the premises rather than just telling them he's got a new job.

    It's only if they conclude that he is some kind of deluded fantasist and put that in a reference that he would need to worry.
    Originally posted by zx81
    I know. I've explained to him that you are leaving for a legitimate reason even in terms of wanting to go to a new employer. But I think he's got it in his head that since he has been here for a long time and knows management on a more personal level, that going for the option that hee's leaving on medical grounds will save a lot of personal hassle.
    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 1:36 PM
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    Why did he lie? You don't have to tell your employer why you are leaving.

    It may come back to bite him if the new employer contacts the old one for a reference.

    I doubt that the existing company could do anything, so long as he gave appropriate notice, but if the new employer finds out he's a liar they may reconsider whether they want him.
    Originally posted by TBagpuss
    His reasoning was that because he knows management etc as more "friends" that he doesn't want to say he is leaving for another job and have to sit through arguments and counter offers etc for him to stay. And as far as I know he is allowed to give less notice on medical grounds than he is for leaving to another job...as far as I'm aware.
    • zx81
    • By zx81 6th Jul 18, 1:36 PM
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    In that case, he should go all out in his fabrication.

    Tell him to make sure he's occasionally found collapsed on the ground, screaming in agony as senior management step over him. Then up the ante with a full leg cast and wheelchair.

    That should make it more convincing.
    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 1:39 PM
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    In that case, he should go all out in his fabrication.

    Tell him to make sure he's occasionally found collapsed on the ground, screaming in agony as senior management step over him. Then up the ante with a full leg cast and wheelchair.

    That should make it more convincing.
    Originally posted by zx81
    Lol it would make for an entertaining scene at the least.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 6th Jul 18, 2:25 PM
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    His reasoning was that because he knows management etc as more "friends" that he doesn't want to say he is leaving for another job and have to sit through arguments and counter offers etc for him to stay. And as far as I know he is allowed to give less notice on medical grounds than he is for leaving to another job...as far as I'm aware.
    Originally posted by StevenB12
    Notice is notice. The reason you give doesn't change the notice period. I wonder if he's considered that if the new employer now takes up a reference they will be told that he's left for health reasons and long term sickness - and faced with that information they might decide to withdraw the offer?
    • Takeaway_Addict
    • By Takeaway_Addict 6th Jul 18, 3:29 PM
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    My guess is that the person is worried about a clause in the contract about working for another company in the same industry...hence the rubbish excuse
    Don't trust a forum for advice. Get proper paid advice. Any advice given should always be checked
    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 4:28 PM
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    Notice is notice. The reason you give doesn't change the notice period. I wonder if he's considered that if the new employer now takes up a reference they will be told that he's left for health reasons and long term sickness - and faced with that information they might decide to withdraw the offer?
    Originally posted by sangie595
    It's possible.., I think from the way he's saying it that they've offered and he's accepted and the contract has been signed etc so I'm going to assume they are going to skip references. I could be wrong though.
    • Brynsam
    • By Brynsam 6th Jul 18, 4:38 PM
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    It's possible.., I think from the way he's saying it that they've offered and he's accepted and the contract has been signed etc so I'm going to assume they are going to skip references. I could be wrong though.
    Originally posted by StevenB12
    You are likely to be very wrong, I'm afraid. None of this makes any sense at all. How exactly are you/your friend going to explain to the management 'friends' why you aren't on sick leave with your poorly leg mending...?
    • StevenB12
    • By StevenB12 6th Jul 18, 4:46 PM
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    You are likely to be very wrong, I'm afraid. None of this makes any sense at all. How exactly are you/your friend going to explain to the management 'friends' why you aren't on sick leave with your poorly leg mending...?
    Originally posted by Brynsam
    He won't be explaining anything to them..., he won't be there? As I said, he is relocating back down south. He's not going to leave work and then video chat them to show them a "recovery" day by day lol. We don't work out of our depot, all engineers work from home, so when his notice is in with what ever reasoning he gives, he goes back home, works x amount of notice that he gives, and that's it.
    • Brynsam
    • By Brynsam 6th Jul 18, 6:46 PM
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    He won't be explaining anything to them..., he won't be there? As I said, he is relocating back down south. He's not going to leave work and then video chat them to show them a "recovery" day by day lol. We don't work out of our depot, all engineers work from home, so when his notice is in with what ever reasoning he gives, he goes back home, works x amount of notice that he gives, and that's it.
    Originally posted by StevenB12
    So why all the subterfuge?
    • Dox
    • By Dox 6th Jul 18, 7:28 PM
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    His reasoning was that because he knows management etc as more "friends" that he doesn't want to say he is leaving for another job and have to sit through arguments and counter offers etc for him to stay. And as far as I know he is allowed to give less notice on medical grounds than he is for leaving to another job...as far as I'm aware.
    Originally posted by StevenB12
    Your 'awareness' seems a bit flawed on a number of accounts. Your 'friend' knows management as 'friends' so thinks lying to them is the right thing to do because it will be 'less hassle' for him.

    Does he really think his 'friends' in management will want him to be unemployed rather than staying and benefiting from sick pay?

    The reference should be interesting.
    • Tealblue
    • By Tealblue 7th Jul 18, 10:33 AM
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    Looking for some advice on behalf of a friend regarding his situation.
    Originally posted by StevenB12
    Advice? Or a pat on the head and soothing words (unfortunately meaningless) that everything will be fine?

    Maybe the best advice you can give him is to man up and learn to tell the truth.
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 7th Jul 18, 11:41 AM
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    Why are you so worried about your colleague's issue? It's his problem not yours
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