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    • pollyanna24
    • By pollyanna24 4th Jul 18, 1:33 PM
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    Neighbours' dormer windows
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    • 4th Jul 18, 1:33 PM
    Neighbours' dormer windows 4th Jul 18 at 1:33 PM
    My house is almost on the end of the road. I have one neighbour to the side and the road turns into the next road. This means that down the left hand side of my garden, I have a lot of other people's fencing butting up to my fence.

    One of the houses (the closest save for my neighbour) has just started installing dormer windows.

    I appreciate that there is probably nothing I can do about this as I have researched the net and they probably don't need planning permission as it won't extend past the height of the roof etc.

    But I did find this in my research:-

    "Any window on a side elevation within 15 metres of a boundary with another house is obscure glazed; and is non opening unless the parts which can be opened are more than 1.7 metres above the floor of the room in which the window is installed."

    It will be quite close to my house and overlooking my garden. I'm presuming it will be a bedroom, but can I request that the council asks that they obscure or glaze the windows? Or that they be non opening windows (but I'm sure the neighbours wouldn't agree to that?)
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    • G_M
    • By G_M 4th Jul 18, 1:35 PM
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    is it "within 15 metres of a boundary with another house"?
    • pinklady21
    • By pinklady21 4th Jul 18, 1:38 PM
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    Have you asked the planning dept at your local council whether it is covered by PD rights?
    • pollyanna24
    • By pollyanna24 4th Jul 18, 1:44 PM
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    is it "within 15 metres of a boundary with another house"?
    Originally posted by G_M
    Their garden is only about 20ft long, so 6m, so yes the windows are less than 15m from my fence. And my house. As they are the neighbours closest. If it was the neighbours at the end of my garden, it would still be 6m from my fence, but further from my house if that makes sense.
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    • pollyanna24
    • By pollyanna24 4th Jul 18, 1:45 PM
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    Have you asked the planning dept at your local council whether it is covered by PD rights?
    Originally posted by pinklady21
    I haven't as yet. Was going to ring them this afternoon, but cannot find anything on the website re them getting planning permission, so can only assume they didn't need it as from what I can gather (and I'm no expert, just from a few minutes' on the net), that loft dormer windows only need planning if they will be higher than the original room and stick out further than the original house, which it does.

    ET: Or is PD something else?
    Last edited by pollyanna24; 04-07-2018 at 1:51 PM.
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    • pollyanna24
    • By pollyanna24 4th Jul 18, 1:47 PM
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    And thinking about it, not sure if this makes a difference, but if they were to look out of the dormer windows (they haven't been finished yet), they most likely will be able to look directly into my kitchen!
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    • Hoploz
    • By Hoploz 4th Jul 18, 1:55 PM
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    Is it on the SIDE of their house, or on the back?
    • pinklady21
    • By pinklady21 4th Jul 18, 2:07 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 2:07 PM
    , but cannot find anything on the website re them getting planning permission, so can only assume they didn't need it

    Or maybe they do actually require planning permission, and have not applied for it.
    Call the Council and ask what the rules are - they may have a copy of their policies on upstairs conversions / dormer extension etc on their website. Ask them what you need to be looking at to see what is allowed under PD, or what requires a planning application.
    Of course, even if an application is submitted, and you object, it doesn't mean to say it won't be granted!
    Best of luck.
    • tacticalbanjo
    • By tacticalbanjo 4th Jul 18, 2:08 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 2:08 PM
    I think the key here are the words 'side elevation'. The dormer is presumably on the house's rear elevation so the rule wouldn't apply.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 4th Jul 18, 2:20 PM
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    I think the key here are the words 'side elevation'. The dormer is presumably on the house's rear elevation so the rule wouldn't apply.
    Originally posted by tacticalbanjo
    One can have a dormer on a side elevation; it just depends on the roof structure. They were very common in the roads where I used to live, often to gain height at the top of a new stairway.


    ...And the other thing that cannot be presumed is that they have gone into the matter of planning thoroughly.


    EDIT....And even if they have, they may be like a neighbour of mine (1/4 mile away!) who has just installed a new upper floor where the planners told them they couldn't have one. These people will probably be visited quite soon by the planning officer.
    Last edited by Davesnave; 04-07-2018 at 2:24 PM.
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    • sal_III
    • By sal_III 4th Jul 18, 2:20 PM
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    Quite the NIMBY post, what exactly is your concern, that the neighbours are going to spy on your backyard and kitchen?

    Chances are they only want some more natural light in their loft, and not at all interested in peeking at your property, for that they could have simply installed a hidden camera.
    • pollyanna24
    • By pollyanna24 4th Jul 18, 2:58 PM
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    Thanks everyone. I rang the council and they have said to send an e-mail detailing everything and they will get back to me.

    It is a rear dormer, but like I said the garden is very small and so will be overlooking my garden on the left hand side.

    And whilst, no, I don't think they will be spying on me in my garden, it still not nice to be overlooked and whilst I am not against them having a dormer window, if the rules say it needs to be obscured, then that is what I will request. That way they will still get light and don't need to be looking onto my garden.

    I suppose another factor in my thinking is when I come to sell the property and if this will affect it in any way.
    Last edited by pollyanna24; 04-07-2018 at 3:02 PM.
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    • Cheeky_Monkey
    • By Cheeky_Monkey 4th Jul 18, 3:11 PM
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    Thanks everyone. I rang the council and they have said to send an e-mail detailing everything and they will get back to me.

    It is a rear dormer, but like I said the garden is very small and so will be overlooking my garden on the left hand side.

    And whilst, no, I don't think they will be spying on me in my garden, it still not nice to be overlooked and whilst I am not against them having a dormer window, if the rules say it needs to be obscured, then that is what I will request. That way they will still get light and don't need to be looking onto my garden.

    I suppose another factor in my thinking is when I come to sell the property and if this will affect it in any way.
    Originally posted by pollyanna24
    But as has already been said, if the dormer is on the rear elevation and not to the side, it doesn't fall within the rules that say it must be obscured.
    I used to be indecisive - now I'm not so sure
    • pollyanna24
    • By pollyanna24 4th Jul 18, 3:33 PM
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    But as has already been said, if the dormer is on the rear elevation and not to the side, it doesn't fall within the rules that say it must be obscured.
    Originally posted by Cheeky_Monkey
    Ah, yes, completely neglected to see that important word, thanks.
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    • Waterlily24
    • By Waterlily24 4th Jul 18, 4:24 PM
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    We weren't allowed to have dormers at the front of our house.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 4th Jul 18, 5:06 PM
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    I suppose another factor in my thinking is when I come to sell the property and if this will affect it in any way.
    Originally posted by pollyanna24
    It's going to be an existing part of the overall scene, so viewers probably won't give it a second glance.
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