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    • MSE Sarah
    • By MSE Sarah 3rd Jul 18, 3:57 PM
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    Money Moral Dilemma: My colleague is paid more to do the same job - what should I do?
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    • 3rd Jul 18, 3:57 PM
    Money Moral Dilemma: My colleague is paid more to do the same job - what should I do? 3rd Jul 18 at 3:57 PM
    This week's MoneySaver who wants advice asks...

    I just discovered my colleague is paid almost 5,000/yr more than me, yet we do exactly the same job and have similar levels of experience. Should I speak up?

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    • Fireflyaway
    • By Fireflyaway 3rd Jul 18, 4:03 PM
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    This happens all the time and could be for a number of reasons. It's worth a mention in your next 121. You could get lucky!
    • Rubik
    • By Rubik 3rd Jul 18, 4:57 PM
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    I would suggest you take the approach of why you deserve to be paid the same, and focus on your contributions, skills and work ethic etc, rather than any perceived unfairness in the pay deficit.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 3rd Jul 18, 6:13 PM
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    • 3rd Jul 18, 6:13 PM
    Wouldn't this MMD be more appropriate to the Employment board...?
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 3rd Jul 18, 6:34 PM
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    • 3rd Jul 18, 6:34 PM
    This so-called "dilemma" frequently crops up on the Employment Board. Speak up if you want but unless there is clearly discrimination (as defined in employment law) the employer does not have to pay the same wage for the same job.
    • cyantist
    • By cyantist 3rd Jul 18, 8:58 PM
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    After 5 years in my previous job I got paid more than anyone in my department despite being one of the newest recruits.

    We had performance related pay - to go up an increment you had to outperform. I did this 5 years running and no one else had more than 1 year of outperforming during that time so I got a raise of 1500 every year.

    There may be a reason they are paid more.
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 3rd Jul 18, 9:02 PM
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    Maybe the colleague was a better negotiator when they got the job.

    Who knows.

    All you can do is ask for a raise.
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    • Marvel1
    • By Marvel1 3rd Jul 18, 10:58 PM
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    Mote suited for the employment board.
    • kazt2006
    • By kazt2006 4th Jul 18, 6:44 AM
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    Yes you have the right to be paid an equal basic salary for the same role or at the very least in the same banding / grade.

    You may find that your colleague has a recruitment and rentention allowance. These are at the employers discretion on an individual basis either when employees start a new job or because they found another position and the employer wanted to keep this person. To use this though, you!!!8217;d need a credible alternative.

    Or as Cyantist said it could be as a result of PRP.

    I once got screwed on the salary for a job - 2 jobs advertised, 1 with salary 3k higher than the other. Found out afterwards we!!!8217;d gone after the same job so they averaged the starting salaries. Hasn!!!8217;t happened since, as now I have clear expectations within the range offered and if an future potential employer doesn!!!8217;t meet that, I walk away!
    • harshitguptaiitr
    • By harshitguptaiitr 4th Jul 18, 7:11 AM
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    File a court case under Equality Pay Act
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 4th Jul 18, 7:42 AM
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    Maybe if the author of this MMD needs to ask advice about this rather than finding out for him/herself and doing something about it - they don't deserve to be paid as much as the other employee...
    Just a thought...
    • joao.matos
    • By joao.matos 4th Jul 18, 8:55 AM
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    understand how the company measure your performance. which indicators are analized. see if you meet, exceed or need to improve. if you are improving ask for it if not improve. In general availability, productivity, etc..
    • joehoover
    • By joehoover 4th Jul 18, 9:40 AM
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    Obviously say something, but be ready to prove that you warrant it.
    I work with people who think they are doing this and that to warrant an equal pay when it's not true, they are in the same roles but one does noticeably less but they think they do the same. They just see it as the same role too when they just turn up and do the minimum required. it's not the same, but they honestly don't view it as such.
    • Reaper
    • By Reaper 4th Jul 18, 10:27 AM
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    we do exactly the same job and have similar levels of experience
    What does that matter? Maybe they are better than you! People who have been in the job the same time should not automatically get paid the same, otherwise where is the incentive to work hard?

    Unless there is discrimination for other reasons (eg race, sex) the answer is a firm "No".
    • newwiseman
    • By newwiseman 4th Jul 18, 11:11 AM
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    By all means have a word with your boss, but be prepared for the possibility that you may hear you are not as highly thought of as you thought. I suggest you should be prepared to look for another job because you will not be happy if you get a negative feedback, whether or not it is justified. You still have to work with the people if you stay. Real life is often not fair.
    • Ianp2000
    • By Ianp2000 4th Jul 18, 12:11 PM
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    Don't forget...you are paid just enough to keep you there. They're not interested in "fairness". The worst paid people are usually the ones who are the longest serving. New employees are enticed with pay packages bigger than their previous job.

    Even if you don't want to leave, find another job that pays more. Hand your notice in and say you MIGHT be willing to stay if they increased your wages to match.
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 4th Jul 18, 12:16 PM
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    Apply Klingon advancement techniques?
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    • Primer
    • By Primer 4th Jul 18, 6:52 PM
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    Exactly the same where I work, we were Tuped out to a subcontracting company and 8 months after they took over they created a new grade for new employees and they are paid on average 8 -9k less than us for doing the same job, we also get more holiday and much better sick pay, it's a cause of animosity between staff especially when you have quite a few of the higher paid who are work shy to say the least and think it's funny that they get away with doing little for a lot more.
    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 4th Jul 18, 8:09 PM
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    Yes you have the right to be paid an equal basic salary for the same role or at the very least in the same banding / grade.
    Originally posted by kazt2006
    No, you don't. You have a right not to be discriminated against, in relation to pay or other terms. So if the reason that you are paid less than your colleague is because you are disabled, or of a different gender, race or sexual orientation.|

    Obviously some organisations, particularly larger ones, may have formal internal rules about pay banding or grades, but it isn't a legal requirement.
    • crmism
    • By crmism 4th Jul 18, 9:15 PM
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    Job
    It's always going to be difficult trying to give helpful advice when only the bare bones of someone's predicament are aired.

    For example, are you the same sex as your colleague, are you of similar age, do you work the same hours or does one of you work unsocial hours, do you hold the same qualifications to do the job, do you rate the same in terms of performance appraisals? All of these, or a combination of one or more of them, would be factors affecting total remuneration, ie basic salary and add-ons.

    The only person who can advise you properly is your boss, as he/she has all the answers to these questions at his/her finger-tips. It's either that, or you could re-submit your post with more information.
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