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    • azz007
    • By azz007 26th Jun 18, 10:00 AM
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    Gladstones LBC recieved
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    • 26th Jun 18, 10:00 AM
    Gladstones LBC recieved 26th Jun 18 at 10:00 AM
    Guys after a few months patiently waiting , the LBC has arrived from Gladstones.
    2 pcn from october 2017
    1 pcn december 2017

    3x PCNs as keeper from Minster Baywatch. lost at POPLA.
    They have listed all 3 PCNS on the LBC Total 480.00!!!!

    How do i apporach this as theyve listed all of them on the roboclaim. the claim ref is 101411.xxxxxxxx

    i have a feeling they will go a push this to court as it will be worthy for them ?
    Last edited by azz007; 26-06-2018 at 10:14 AM.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 26th Jun 18, 10:39 AM
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    • #2
    • 26th Jun 18, 10:39 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 10:39 AM
    Respond to the LBC as per the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2.

    Have they fully complied with the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PaP)? If not, go through the PaP and require them to provide (hard copies, not a link to their website portal) anything and everything to which you are entitled.

    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/pdf/protocols/debt-pap.pdf
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 26th Jun 18, 10:51 AM
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    • #3
    • 26th Jun 18, 10:51 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 10:51 AM
    They have put a a link on the letter to their website to the reply form to be completed on their site.

    do i complete the reply form on their site acknowlding the LBC , denying the debt and asking for the usual stuff to be provided etc.

    also do i need to fill in the FS?
    Last edited by azz007; 26-06-2018 at 11:02 AM.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 26th Jun 18, 11:16 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 11:16 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 11:16 AM
    They have put a a link on the letter to their website to the reply form to be completed on their site.
    Originally posted by azz007
    NO WEB LINK .... HARD COPY BY POST ONLY

    Once received they have complied with the law
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 26th Jun 18, 11:34 AM
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    • #5
    • 26th Jun 18, 11:34 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 11:34 AM
    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 26th Jun 18, 11:44 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 11:44 AM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 11:44 AM
    im confused - should i write a reasponse to the LBC with the usual responses from NEWBIES.

    OR

    just request a paper copy of the reply form at this stage?
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 26th Jun 18, 11:49 AM
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    • #7
    • 26th Jun 18, 11:49 AM
    • #7
    • 26th Jun 18, 11:49 AM
    im confused - should i write a reasponse to the LBC with the usual responses from NEWBIES.

    OR

    just request a paper copy of the reply form at this stage?
    Originally posted by azz007
    How can you respond without hard copies in your hand ?

    Ask them to provide full information by post to comply
    with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 26th Jun 18, 12:08 PM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 12:08 PM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 12:08 PM
    also do i need to fill in the FS?
    No, don't fill in your financial details - none of their business.

    Respond using some of the LBC response example in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2, but if any of the PaP stuff is missing, you might have to adapt your letter, and require them to provide hard copies of it. If all they've provided is a web link, then you'll require everything in hard copy.

    Go through the PaP link I gave you and make a list of what you are entitled to receive. That's the list you send with your initial LBC response to Gladstones.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 26th Jun 18, 12:14 PM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 12:14 PM
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    • 26th Jun 18, 12:14 PM
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    Go through the PaP link I gave you and make a list of what you are entitled to receive. That's the list you send with your initial LBC response to Gladstones.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    yeh its just 1 page letter they sent. no other information about the claim. just a link to fill online.

    or to return the paper copy slip to them if i want the information sheet and reply form in paper copy .

    so i meant il request the information sheet /reply form in paper > then after i recieve their paper copy, do i resposnd with requesting all the evidence etc accordingto the PAP whats missing? with the responses from NEWBIES #2
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 26th Jun 18, 12:40 PM
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    so i meant il request the information sheet /reply form in paper > then after i recieve their paper copy, do i resposnd with requesting all the evidence etc accordingto the PAP whats missing? with the responses from NEWBIES #2
    You could wait until you receive their paper copy then go through that with a fine tooth-comb, or you could simply give them a long list now and let them get on with it.

    I don't want to divert you from what you're doing now, but you could drop a SAR-bomb on them (and simultaneously Minster Baywatch) and ask them another full range of questions about the acquisition, use, management, distribution and security of your data. It will give them plenty of work and may make them think you are a bit to handle - and go after lower-hanging fruit. No guarantees on this, but you might get some satisfaction in providing them with something to do other than issuing roboclaims. . You have nothing to lose, and possibly something to gain, especially if your data hasn't been dealt with correctly.

    Here's the thread to give you the starting point:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5849784
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 26-06-2018 at 12:49 PM.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 26th Jun 18, 3:58 PM
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    Sent off to Gladstones requesting Paper copy , sent SAR request, and usual repsonse from newbies. sent via post. - proof of postage.

    SAR also to PPC.

    waiting game..
    • Southernsoftie_jo
    • By Southernsoftie_jo 26th Jun 18, 11:01 PM
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    Southernsoftie_jo
    Gladstone!!!8217;s have been busy by the look of all these posts! I have my LBC too. Wonder if they send these out in the summer hoping to catch people away on hols?

    Will also request paper copy, thanks for clarifying this here. Was going to do it online until I saw this!
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 27th Jun 18, 7:28 AM
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    Wonder if they send these out in the summer hoping to catch people away on hols?
    Never, never. What a preposterous thought!

    Yes!
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 27th Jun 18, 9:52 AM
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    The Deep
    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 4th Jul 18, 8:26 PM
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    Got a response to my SAR. Not sure what I'm looking at and picking at on their response.

    They have also said "we do not carry out automated decision making or profiling"

    However, no response to my Lbc rebuttal using newbies thread DanielSan. They've jsut sent the Lbc claim again!!

    What should I do?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jul 18, 8:40 PM
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    Well they sent the LBC again as part of the SAR disclosure of letters, I assume?
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 4th Jul 18, 9:03 PM
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    Got a response to my SAR. Not sure what I'm looking at and picking at on their response.

    They have also said "we do not carry out automated decision making or profiling"

    However, no response to my Lbc rebuttal using newbies thread DanielSan. They've jsut sent the Lbc claim again!!

    What should I do?
    Originally posted by azz007
    The general thought is that Gladstones now live on another
    planet ..... more likely "cloud nine"

    Because their claims are based on rubbish, you have to
    look upon them as a joke, not real, not professional.
    Why do the SRA support them ????

    Send your SAR over and over again until they give you
    the answer you expect. If they don't it's straight to
    ICO

    What you don't do is play games with idiots

    Only today, another Gladstones whooping in court
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5699986

    POST # 68
    Last edited by beamerguy; 04-07-2018 at 9:23 PM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • azz007
    • By azz007 5th Jul 18, 8:48 AM
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    Yes thats right , sent it part of the SAR
    • azz007
    • By azz007 5th Jul 18, 10:16 AM
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    azz007
    sent the SAR again but this time more assertive and will complain to ICO etc.

    also send the LBC rebuttal again with replyslip requesting paper copy.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 5th Jul 18, 12:26 PM
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    so ive been reading many threads and recently there have been some who have jsut turned up to court without a proper defecne or no defence, no WS and still won. just relying on the Claimant's details as they fail to make the case they claim.

    my own case i think i can win with street map photos no entrance sign, and i pruchased land regisrtry documents and it clearly is different to the version the PPC provide when i appealed.

    so can i base my case just on these above facts. make it clear and simple for a judge
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