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    • cuddlymarm
    • By cuddlymarm 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
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    Prepping for Brexit thread
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    • 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
    Prepping for Brexit thread 12th Jun 18 at 1:39 PM
    Hi guys
    Iím pretty well resolved to the fact that Brexit is going to affect us all. I donít want this thread to be a good or bad, right or wrong type thing.
    Just a positive, what can we prepare to make life easier, less expensive, less disruptive when it does happen.

    My aims are to stock up on items I think are going to get more expensive. Also to try and save up an emergency fund ( that will be slow going as OH took early retirement due to illness) and Iím unemployed at the moment.

    So my aims are to work out what items need to be stocked up
    To look for a job
    To live as frugally as possible while eating healthily
    To make sure the savings we have already donít get touched

    So guys please feel free to join in and list anything you think may be affected. Or just to comment. That way we can help each other.

    Hope to hear from you all soon
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    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 11th Aug 18, 6:57 PM
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    No shortages here but I noticed that prices are already rising, especially dairy. Milk still the same price but yoghurt, cream and butter had all gone up in Sainsbury's, not been to Aldi this week. I'm running the freezer down now, so haven't bothered with a big shop.

    As a matter of interest, What sort of things were missing......was it fresh produce or dry and tinned goods.
    Originally posted by lessonlearned

    It was a mixture here, couldn't see any logic in it. No unsmoked bacon, not much selection with butter, only sugar was granulated (I was looking for demerara) the only frozen veg was peas. The fresh fruit and veg aisle seemed a bit bare as well but they had what I wanted. Nothing I can't live without but apart from the snow a few months ago I haven't seen the supermarket so empty in years.

    The Tesco ones seem fine to me.

    My sympathies on losing Waitrose - I think the nearest one to me these days is Cardiff (ie way too far away to be a viable proposition).

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    Re shortages of common goods in the shelves these days - I had it explained to me that the area I'm living in does have periods of time where they clear "standards" off the shelves to some extent and put on more the sort of thing holidaymakers are deemed to want and that that is what is happening at the moment here.

    It's something I never noticed prior to moving here - but I think that's down to my home city is one that "everyone wants - all the time". But current area has "holiday period of the year" and things are different because of that. Yep....someone else agreed with me earlier today that there's a lot more holidaymakers around this year than previously. I've actually found myself navigating round people on the streets a fair bit recently -- which is something I'm not used to here - as there are a lot less people here. Add the "long shorts"/generally sporty gear and higher proportion of taller/more confident-looking people and average age going down... and yep....holidaymakers then.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention

    I live in a holiday area but I've been here 20 years and I've never seen this before. Holidaymaker wise it doesn't seem any busier than usual but more British people this year, I've seen hardly any european reg cars. Not sure why as with the pound weaker I would have thought we would be an attractive proposition but maybe they are staying in places like London rather than a bucket and spade destination.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 11th Aug 18, 7:52 PM
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    It was a mixture here, couldn't see any logic in it. No unsmoked bacon, not much selection with butter, only sugar was granulated (I was looking for demerara) the only frozen veg was peas. The fresh fruit and veg aisle seemed a bit bare as well but they had what I wanted. Nothing I can't live without but apart from the snow a few months ago I haven't seen the supermarket so empty in years.




    I live in a holiday area but I've been here 20 years and I've never seen this before. Holidaymaker wise it doesn't seem any busier than usual but more British people this year, I've seen hardly any european reg cars. Not sure why as with the pound weaker I would have thought we would be an attractive proposition but maybe they are staying in places like London rather than a bucket and spade destination.
    Originally posted by humptydumptybits
    From what I can see - there are more British people - but I think we're getting more Germans/the occasional Dutch/etc here. What I think of as the more "outdoorsy" ones - I guess it's down to this is the sort of area one comes for a more "outdoorsy" sort of holiday - between the countryside/the beaches/more "active" sports type things/the walking round the Coast Path (rather them than me - I ain't brave enough for the Welsh section of the Coast Path - far too near the cliff edges for me).
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    • MRSTITTLEMOUSE
    • By MRSTITTLEMOUSE 11th Aug 18, 8:01 PM
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    Don't I know it Elona! when we were on our overseas job in Germany all the other folk working for the company spent their nice increased wages because the company was paying the rent and school fees and an overseas allowance on holidays, trips abroad, weekends away, new clothes, treats and lots of meals out and we saved ours, we had a trip back to the UK every half term because Nell was boarding and one holiday in the 3 years we were there when we drove to France for a fortnight. We were able to come home and pay off our mortgage buy a new car and have money in the bank most other people came back with memories (nothing wrong with that) and nothing to show for 3 years away. Did we ever get criticised for not living the high life, we were odd man out both with the Ex Pats in the company and our acquaintance here, you just can't win BUT we owned the house and they were all still paying off mortgages, makes you think!!!
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker
    I can totally relate to your experience. Me and my husband were just like you and yours. We lived within our means, saved and paid off our mortgage early enough to totally renovate our house well before retirement. We had a good life without spending a lot on what I class as unnecessary things. We were also the "odd" man out among our friends too. Paid off in the end because we are now extremely comfortable and do without nothing. People can't as they say have their cake and eat it.Only the independently wealthy have that luxury, the rest of us have to make choices.
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 11th Aug 18, 10:02 PM
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    My son pointed out to me that CO2 is used in a lot of packaging processes, not just in fizzy drinks.

    No idea about the dairy products though.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 12th Aug 18, 8:31 AM
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    I'm going to simplify our meals and go back to how we ate in childhood, I don't remember masses of choice in the shops but I do remember simpler meals on the table and in school lunches. I think simplified meals will cost much less and feed us just as well. I remember smoked haddock on mashed potatoes with a poached egg on top served up with tinned peas, Lancashire Hot Pot, what was called a Cowboys Dinner just boiled potatoes with fried bacon and baked beans, sausage, mash and greens with gravy, bacon and eggs with toast, egg and chips, the odd bought pie with mash and peas and gravy, steak and kidney pudding (which I detested)but that I can make much more palatable by replacing the kidney with mushrooms, shepherds pie and veg, fish and chips with mushy peas, simple food but the component parts thereof more easily obtained. I think I'll implement this way of eating as soon after we've made the move as I can and re-train our taste buds to a different diet that doesn't rely on all sorts of exotics from across the globe and mostly comes from local sources.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • wannalot
    • By wannalot 12th Aug 18, 8:55 AM
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    Hello all,

    I have been thinking about this thread a lot over the past few days. It chimes in a lot with my own thoughts. I am pretty shocked by how insecure Brexit has made me. Usually, I am much more accepting of and even confident of my ability to adapt to change, but I feel deeply resentful that this change is happening. 40 years of British diplomacy is being shredded and I have zero confidence in our politicians ability to lead us safely through. Indeed, for the first time ever, I feel tempted to vote for the SNP.

    Anyway, apologies for all that political stuff! You lovely people have made me realise that I am much better channeling my insecurity into positive action to mitigate the effects of the oncoming chaos, so I am going to make some preparations. This weekend, I decided to do a Waitrose shop using a voucher sent to me for £22 off of a £110 shop. I would usually never use it because it is just far too much for me to spend, but I have decided to invest a bit of money over the next few months (probably £40 or so per month) to try to put me into a situation where I will not need to do any major shopping in March or April next year.

    I would appreciate any advice on how best to prepare. At the moment, I am planning to buy tins and packets (beans, pulses, vegetables, tomatoes and spices) for the next few months because my freezer is already full. I want to eat to make a bit of space in my freezer, to let me store more practical items which can be turned into better meals.

    I usually have quite a lot of meat in the freezer anyway, but by the beginning of next year, I want to have made space in my freezer to freeze some butter and cheese, two things which I use a lot, and which I think might be scarce (or at least dearer) for a while.

    I also want to learn how to make bread. I Have wanted to be able to do this for a while, so there is no harm in making sure I can be self-sufficient in this regard by next year.

    One thing I have decided not to store too much of is fish. If our trade with theEU breaks down for a while, then our fishing industry will have a lot of surplus, so hopefully that will still be available!

    Part of me feels that everything will be fine, and that I will look back on these worries and feel a bit foolish, but I would rather be overprepared, rather than be caught out. Mainly, I just feel really sad that it has come to this. I think we have been hoodwinked into making ourselves poorer and Europe weaker. Who wins?
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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 12th Aug 18, 9:10 AM
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    The past can't be changed, it's gone and fixed but the future can be whatever you want to make it if you stick to your action plan. If Brexit happens or even if it doesn't the future is going to be challenging for many reasons including the unpredictable actions or inactions of many political leaders we now have in power in many places across the globe. To be prepared for the things you can in a small way control in life puts us all in a better situation to weather whatever happens that's not in our power to alter. You can't possibly cover all the bases on that one but you can store food, get meds, clear debts, simplify life and do it now before any of the things above and many others happen. If there are problems in your local area, with some forward planning and a certain amount of luck you might be able to shut up shop, hunker down in your prepared home and ride things out and emerge unscathed after they're over. If you don't have need of any of your preps and nothing untoward happens well you've probably saved quite a lot of money by buying at todays prices because things only get more expensive, never less!
    Last edited by MrsLurcherwalker; 12-08-2018 at 1:31 PM.
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    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 12th Aug 18, 9:16 AM
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    I tend to eat simply anyway......sticking as far as possible to a paleo diet for health reasons, although I do eat dairy which technically is not paleo. I could and should cut down on the amount of cheese I eat.....

    I too,love the old British favourites, good filling grub. I also like a lot of the European peasant dishes, again same principles at work. Good hearty nutritious food. Italy, Spain, Greece and various eastern and Northern European cuisines have some fabulous peasant food which is cheap and nutritious. Chinese and Asian dishes tend to be light on meat too, with plenty of vegetarian options. Again good healthy, hearty nutritious food.

    Living as I do in a cosmopolitan city and Bejng able to buy any manner of spices then I really don't think I will have any problems cooking good healthy interesting food. I shall make sure I stock up on fats, oils, spices and dried herbs. They have a long shelf life.

    I hadn't given much thought to fish prices ......yes you are right, fish might actually come down in price. That would be nice.

    I think a bit of money invested in food, household supplies and consumables now or the next few months is actually sound financial sense. Interest rates are pitiful so it makes more sense to put a bit of spare money into commodities that you will use rather than have it sat in the bank doing nothing.

    Even if there aren't too many shortages I do feel sure that prices will rise.
    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 12th Aug 18, 9:26 AM
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    MRs LW. I do like the idea of "hunkering down".

    I do this a lot in winter. I usually do a bit of winter prepping anyway, making sure I have plenty of food and comfort meds etc. Then when the weather turns bad I just stay warm and cosy in my nest, reading, crafting, doing a bit of diy, pottering about, watching DVDs or precorded tv programmes.

    The joys of retirement, not having to de ice the car at the crack of dawn and brave the elements..... bliss......

    When I move I am going to designate one of my spare rooms as a personal home gym, so I won't even have to set foot out of the door to exercise ......
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 12th Aug 18, 10:10 AM
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    I'm going to simplify our meals and go back to how we ate in childhood, I don't remember masses of choice in the shops but I do remember simpler meals on the table and in school lunches. I think simplified meals will cost much less and feed us just as well. I remember smoked haddock on mashed potatoes with a poached egg on top served up with tinned peas, Lancashire Hot Pot, what was called a Cowboys Dinner just boiled potatoes with fried bacon and baked beans, sausage, mash and greens with gravy, bacon and eggs with toast, egg and chips, the odd bought pie with mash and peas and gravy, steak and kidney pudding (which I detested)but that I can make much more palatable by replacing the kidney with mushrooms, shepherds pie and veg, fish and chips with mushy peas, simple food but the component parts thereof more easily obtained. I think I'll implement this way of eating as soon after we've made the move as I can and re-train our taste buds to a different diet that doesn't rely on all sorts of exotics from across the globe and mostly comes from local sources.
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker
    I think Mr Ivyleaf would be blissfully happy with those meals (apart from the smoked fish!), as long as he could have a curry occasionally We had sausages and mash last night and really enjoyed it as it had been a while since I'd felt up to cooking.
    Last edited by ivyleaf; 12-08-2018 at 2:40 PM. Reason: typo
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 12th Aug 18, 12:07 PM
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    I'm going to simplify our meals and go back to how we ate in childhood, I don't remember masses of choice in the shops but I do remember simpler meals on the table and in school lunches. I think simplified meals will cost much less and feed us just as well. I remember smoked haddock on mashed potatoes with a poached egg on top served up with tinned peas, Lancashire Hot Pot, what was called a Cowboys Dinner just boiled potatoes with fried bacon and baked beans, sausage, mash and greens with gravy, bacon and eggs with toast, egg and chips, the odd bought pie with mash and peas and gravy, steak and kidney pudding (which I detested)but that I can make much more palatable by replacing the kidney with mushrooms, shepherds pie and veg, fish and chips with mushy peas, simple food but the component parts thereof more easily obtained. I think I'll implement this way of eating as soon after we've made the move as I can and re-train our taste buds to a different diet that doesn't rely on all sorts of exotics from across the globe and mostly comes from local sources.
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker

    I still eat like that The main difference is with haddock we always have parsley sauce and no egg. I do eat some pasta dishes but they are simple as well, lots of veg in a tomato sauce with some red pepper to heat it up.


    I think I'll be OK with fish, I could at a push walk to where lots of fishermen unload their catch, five minute drive.
    • Living proof
    • By Living proof 12th Aug 18, 3:07 PM
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    I am getting mixed messages about how food will be affected after the dreaded B word happens. There was a report in one of the Sundays quoting an unnamed CEO of a supermarket chain who predicted beef would rise 40%, cheese likewise and chicken a mere 20%. He thought there would be civil unrest for a week or two until things settled down.

    On the other hand my neighbour at the allotment works for DHL head office and he thinks we will just buy our food from elsewhere worldwide which will be cheaper as EU not setting the rules, and we will fly it in from all over very quickly. So much for food miles. I vividly remember food pricing and availability pre-EEC and it was pretty boring actually with very limited choice and everything was seasonal. Food in our house was pretty much the same for the day of the week, adjusted for seasonal availability. Now we have come to expect aubergines to be 45p or so, all sort of exotic fare on the shelves at a price 364 days of the year. Back Tae Auld Claes And Parritch then. So what? Won't kill us!
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    • dreaming
    • By dreaming 12th Aug 18, 3:23 PM
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    Most of my food tends to err on the side of simplicity, mainly because I live on my own and cook mainly just for me, although if I have visitors then I do like to experiment with different things. I dislike fish - the smell, the taste, even the look of them - although I can just about cope with a fish finger sandwich! I also turn to food such as stews/shepherd's pie/sausage and mash etc. in the winter. Apart from the "comfort" factor, they tend to be meals I can make one day then quickly reheat in the microwave the next day - so I can save a little on fuel. I know some people wouldn't like to eat the same thing 2 days running but it doesn't bother me - sometimes I will add something to it (e.g. stew and dumplings on day1/ stew and yorkshire pudding on day2; or add different veg.) but always trying to be economical with the oven.
    For me, it is not just brexit I am concerned about. I live in Northamptonshire and our county council has the dubious honour of being the first council to be facing bankruptcy. They have voted to cut services to the bare bones (although they have been pretty dire for the past few years) and as I have a close relative who needs social service help, I am worried that I will end up having to help them out in emergencies, as other help will not be available (although I do bits and bobs for them already). So I will not only be trying to reduce my outgoings, but also trying to build a small "stash" for them should the need arise, as well as building my own. From what I have read it seems likely that other councils will be following our lead over the next year or so, so I think there are major challenges ahead for many of us.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 12th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
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    If that happens we'll have to be very savvy as shoppers and use greengrocers that use paper bags and not plastic prepacked things in trays and cellophane wrap, butchers that just pop things in a bag from the counter, I know they'll be plastic bags but only one layer and that will be small to store if it's washed out and will mean that if we go to a monthly bin collection we'll probably not over fill the bin. It might see a re-appearance of 'scoop shops' where goods are in big containers and you buy the amount you need, again one plastic bag and that's small to store in a bin until collection day. I think the government might have to hurry along legislation to minimise packaging if every county council is in dire straits or there will be a huge increase in the number of vermin and that will cause problems, particularly if it's rats.

    If everyone who had room for one also ran a compost bin for veg peel and leftovers that too would cut down on bin fill and make good food for gardens, even flower borders would benefit from a dressing of compost once a year.
    Last edited by MrsLurcherwalker; 12-08-2018 at 3:36 PM.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 12th Aug 18, 3:41 PM
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    Our local Aldi was completely out of all squash, Sainsbury's and Asda was very low on stock, cannot find Lime Squash anywhere...
    Originally posted by Islandmaid
    I suspect it's due to it being the summer(extra bottles are bought )and the kids aren't at school and go to the supermarkets to get a few bits of shopping for the parents eg bottle of squash.

    Re the lime squash I would guess it's from the same factory as Roses Lime Cordial but as they had a fire production was temporarily stopped, an email/tweet to 1 of the supermarkets would provide an answer.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 12-08-2018 at 3:43 PM.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 12th Aug 18, 3:49 PM
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    If everyone who had room for one also ran a compost bin for veg peel and leftovers that too would cut down on bin fill and make good food for gardens, even flower borders would benefit from a dressing of compost once a year.
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker
    No food waste goes into the bin where I am, there's a food waste bin for it, can even put cooked food in it, it's collected once a week and it's used to make compost. We used to have a compost bin but got rid of it as it attracted vermin, maybe too much food waste was put in it.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 12th Aug 18, 3:55 PM
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    We don't have a food waste collection down here in Hampshire so anything compostable goes into the compost bin and feeds the plots in the fullness of time but meat, bones, any kind of animal product remains has to go into the main dustbin.

    We have two compost bins in the garden and a double one made from pallets on the allotment and we've never had vermin problem, just slow worms who live in the garden bins and come out to bask in the sun beside them when it's warm enough. I'd like a food waste collection every week for the un-compostable stuff but making compost with the inedible veg bits has improved our rather poor soil over the years and meant better crops for us.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • Mummy2cheekymonkeys
    • By Mummy2cheekymonkeys 12th Aug 18, 5:33 PM
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    I get so wound up about rubbish collections here. Mainly because of people being obviously lazy and not recycling. We compost and recycle everything that we can. I have 2 babies both in nappies and use washable nappies most of the time. We normally put out 1 black bag a week. Some rare occasions 2. The 2 houses across the road from me put out 6-7 black bags a week each with no sign of their recycling box anywhere. Makes my blood boil.
    • Saipan
    • By Saipan 12th Aug 18, 6:21 PM
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    I have posted before about the dire situation relating to Council services - sadly Northamptonshire will be just the first to declare effective bankruptcy. East Sussex has announced that it is to cut services to the bare legal minimum and that families and neighbourhood voluntary groups will have to take increasing responsibility for supporting those older people who will no longer qualify for social care from the Council. I work across three Councils at a senior management level and the situation in these areas, al of which are very different to each other, is no different - they are all only just sustaining their present levels of service (which are poor because there simply is not enough money to meet current demand) and at least one is likely to follow Northamptonshire in the next few months. The Local Government Association estimates that a further 15 Councils are on the verge of bankruptcy with many more heading that way in the next year or two. (This is not a political statement or scaremongering btw - all of the above is factual.)

    Last week the Department of Health stated that women will have to give up work to look after their parents unless EU care workers are given priority after Brexit. In my view, family members (not just women!) will have to do this anyway unless social care services for the elderly receive significantly increased funding very quickly. Nothing that the government has said indicates that they will do this.

    As a family we are preparing for Brexit by ensuring that we are as well-qualified as possible so we can maximise our earning potential - hopefully we can ourselves then compensate for reduced or discontinued services. I am painfully aware that many people are not in a position to do this and worry what will happen when services simply are not there. We are also moving closer to each other so that child care and caring for older members of the family is easier. Personally I am also taking out private health insurance (I have a serious heart condition) which, after many years of working in the public sector, I find very, very difficult on every level.


    Most of my food tends to err on the side of simplicity, mainly because I live on my own and cook mainly just for me, although if I have visitors then I do like to experiment with different things. I dislike fish - the smell, the taste, even the look of them - although I can just about cope with a fish finger sandwich! I also turn to food such as stews/shepherd's pie/sausage and mash etc. in the winter. Apart from the "comfort" factor, they tend to be meals I can make one day then quickly reheat in the microwave the next day - so I can save a little on fuel. I know some people wouldn't like to eat the same thing 2 days running but it doesn't bother me - sometimes I will add something to it (e.g. stew and dumplings on day1/ stew and yorkshire pudding on day2; or add different veg.) but always trying to be economical with the oven.
    For me, it is not just brexit I am concerned about. I live in Northamptonshire and our county council has the dubious honour of being the first council to be facing bankruptcy. They have voted to cut services to the bare bones (although they have been pretty dire for the past few years) and as I have a close relative who needs social service help, I am worried that I will end up having to help them out in emergencies, as other help will not be available (although I do bits and bobs for them already). So I will not only be trying to reduce my outgoings, but also trying to build a small "stash" for them should the need arise, as well as building my own. From what I have read it seems likely that other councils will be following our lead over the next year or so, so I think there are major challenges ahead for many of us.
    Originally posted by dreaming
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Aug 18, 6:42 PM
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    I have posted before about the dire situation relating to Council services - sadly Northamptonshire will be just the first to declare effective bankruptcy. East Sussex has announced that it is to cut services to the bare legal minimum and that families and neighbourhood voluntary groups will have to take increasing responsibility for supporting those older people who will no longer qualify for social care from the Council. I work across three Councils at a senior management level and the situation in these areas, al of which are very different to each other, is no different - they are all only just sustaining their present levels of service (which are poor because there simply is not enough money to meet current demand) and at least one is likely to follow Northamptonshire in the next few months. The Local Government Association estimates that a further 15 Councils are on the verge of bankruptcy with many more heading that way in the next year or two. (This is not a political statement or scaremongering btw - all of the above is factual.)

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    Originally posted by Saipan
    Would it be possible for you to give us any indication of who these "15 Councils ......and...many more heading that way" are please?

    Forewarned is forearmed I guess.

    Admitted I'd be particularly interested to see if that includes any of the Councils in West Wales (now I'm living here - and they already shock me with just how poor they are compared to what I'm used to - and they've got that extra expense for translation coming out of their budgets too under current Welsh Assembly law that English councils don't have).
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