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    • cuddlymarm
    • By cuddlymarm 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
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    Prepping for Brexit thread
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    • 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
    Prepping for Brexit thread 12th Jun 18 at 1:39 PM
    Hi guys
    Iím pretty well resolved to the fact that Brexit is going to affect us all. I donít want this thread to be a good or bad, right or wrong type thing.
    Just a positive, what can we prepare to make life easier, less expensive, less disruptive when it does happen.

    My aims are to stock up on items I think are going to get more expensive. Also to try and save up an emergency fund ( that will be slow going as OH took early retirement due to illness) and Iím unemployed at the moment.

    So my aims are to work out what items need to be stocked up
    To look for a job
    To live as frugally as possible while eating healthily
    To make sure the savings we have already donít get touched

    So guys please feel free to join in and list anything you think may be affected. Or just to comment. That way we can help each other.

    Hope to hear from you all soon
    Cuddles
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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 3:30 PM
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    I think that one of the best ways we can prepare for the future is to take a clear eyed look back at the past to see how people lived their lives before we had the welfare state, before we got to the point where we'd become accustomed to buying everything we need and forgot how to do things for ourselves. I know there will be eyebrows raised and voices saying 'please...it's not wartime now etc.' but I'm thinking to look back further than the last century just to see how life was made as easy and comfortable as people could make it without modern conveniences.


    My forebears were Swedish peasant farmers and I know in the winter one way of making sure families were fed was to have porridge for breakfast and also for supper before having bread and cheese and whatever was available in the fruit and veg line depending on what time of year it was. The porridge wasn't always oatmeal but sometimes was rice porridge which is very nice and cheap to make and very filling. It can be served sweet with a knob of butter and cinnamon sugar, with cherry/blueberry/lingonberry/cranberry jam or compote, with fresh berries and cream or served savoury with just the butter and some salt. Porridge can be made with most grains, pearl barley or pearled spelt can be used, rye flakes, semolina, rice, oats, even bulgur wheat can be used with water and milk to make a satisfying and nutritious meal and IF there are shortages or the food chain is disrupted and imports are scarce and the farming community here in the UK isn't able to supply all our needs then there are worse ways of staving off hunger than by making a good bowl of porridge.

    If there aren't carrots available to buy fresh and you want carrots then tins keep forever and a day and you'll still have carrots in your dishes. If the price of fresh produce spirals because there has been a problem with the crop then your tinned carrots may be the only way you get carrots if you aren't lucky enough to be able to grow them yourself.
    Last edited by MrsLurcherwalker; 08-08-2018 at 3:33 PM.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • chirpychick
    • By chirpychick 8th Aug 18, 4:11 PM
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    I have started stocking up on carrots, i was told a donkey sanctuary is struggling to buy the quantity they need right now, fresh. So i figured they would be expensive or hard to come by later in the year, just add a tin each week as well as peas and ive started on green beans and i dont think we ever have eaten tinned veg other than sweet corn.
    My son loves broccoli and cauliflower but i hate the frozen stuff, ill be stocking up though to ensure they get their veg lol
    Everything is always better after a cup of tea
    • dreaming
    • By dreaming 8th Aug 18, 6:03 PM
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    I grown my own carrots broccoli cauliflowers onions shallots potatoes and sprouts turnips parsnips and a few more I can't remember. They are either stored carefully or frozen and have enough to last a year. I have never eaten a tinned carrot! I am laughing myself silly with someone telling us to buy tinned carrots now.
    Originally posted by grunnie
    So you have done your own form of prepping Grunnie, but not everyone has the facilities to grow their own, either in terms of space for growing, or the physical abilities to do so. Root vegetables can be stored for a good long time without freezing if you have the space and knowledge. How do your store yours Grunnie - is it the clamp method? Might be helpful if you shared your knowledge for those who not have come across this. Of course, as soon as you freeze food you are at the mercy of the electricity supply being maintained (unless you have your own generator of course). I'm not a fan of tinned veg. myself as it always seems too sweet (and soft) for my taste, but it will be useful as a stand-by. I do like tinned pulses/lentils though as they save on time and energy costs (if the power supplies are interrupted - thinking more of winter preps than Brexit). I only have a small freezer, and a small house, so couldn't really store a year's worth of anything. I tend to think in terms of a few weeks at a time.
    • grunnie
    • By grunnie 8th Aug 18, 6:17 PM
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    I store potatoes in my garage which is frost free as it is joined on to the house. Carrots are lifted and put into buckets layered with sand and I just dig in when I need them. Onions I dry in a cold frame along with shallots and stored in the shed. All the rest of veg several kinds of beans and peas are frozen. I put them into portion sizes so none are wasted. Beetroot are left in the garden and just lifted when I run out. I picked them in a vinegar water spice mix and the keep forever. Apples and pears are picked and I put them on a bed of newspaper in a plastic tray( the ones the garden centre use to transport pot plants are ideal). These are stored in the garage as well.
    I have done this for the last 44 years so it gets easier every year.
    Strawberries rasps black red and white currants are in the freezer. I started this years ago as we were hard up and as I don't drive carrying home stuff like potatoes with 2 toddlers and pushing a pram was difficult. Well you did ask! Not prepping for Brexit but just prepping to survive. A homemade blackcurrant drink in the middle of winter when you have a cold is just yummy add a ton of sugar and the grankids will drink it.
    • grunnie
    • By grunnie 8th Aug 18, 6:20 PM
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    Just to add my neighbours have the same size garden as me and only one has plants and shrubs the rest are all cement or all grass or chuckies so it is a personal choice to turn the back garden into an allotment.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 6:28 PM
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    Things I am going to put some stocks of in are suet, veg or beef, either will do and flour with a raising agent and I know it's frowned upon by many people as being unhealthy but if we add dumplings to soup/stews/casseroles be they with meat or pulse and vegetable based we'll have full tummies and not be hungry. He Who Knows parents were Suffolk born and bred and it's an old custom from both sides of the family to have a decent sized dumpling or Yorkshire pudding filled with gravy as a starter to the main meal, it's the filler that lets less meat be able to feed more people and is such a good idea. I know they often had something like rice pudding afterwards too which is another simple and cheap way of filling corners on days when the larder is less than generous. If and it is only an if we do get disruptions to power supplies our homes will be colder and we'll use the dumpling calories to keep warm, if we get frequent power outages we'll all have to do more physical work than we do now to keep homes and clothing in good order so it will help there too and if we find that public transport isn't as available as it is now and perhaps petrol/diesel prices are beyond affording we'll have to start walking to get where we need to go. Bodies need fuelling for increased activities and suet and flour will keep!
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • dreaming
    • By dreaming 8th Aug 18, 6:29 PM
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    Thanks Grunnie. I'm sure lots of people will find this helpful. I do have a small brick built shed (old coal-house) but no garage, and do manage to store some stuff in there - some root veg (bought these days although I used to grow more) and some tins in plastic crates - but it does get quite damp so I have to check it regularly.
    Most of my prepping came about through financial straits rather than any particular perceived threat, but the knowledge serves just the same, and this is the sort of thing I think we could/should be sharing - not just for Brexit but just for the good of our communities. I have learned a lot from MSE forums over the past few years and thank all of those who are so generous in giving help and advice without judgement.
    • melanzana
    • By melanzana 8th Aug 18, 7:40 PM
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    Sorry now.

    Leaving aside all the angst about what may or may not happen, there is absolutely NO WAY that folk should have to prep outside a wartime/nuclear disaster situation.

    But maybe some people actually like prepping or something.

    It should be unnecessary completely in this day and age. And if it proves necessary to be anxious about food and medication supplies, well something is going terribly wrong really.

    That is my feeling anyway. I don't like it. Have never had to think about it, and don't want to have to be concerned about it for me or my family. I am actually quite upset about it all TBH. So unnecessary to put this kind of pressure on people in a First World Country isn't it?

    But some people like prepping and follow the Spirit of the Blitz and so on. Honestly why?
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 7:57 PM
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    I can only speak for me but I've been hungry before in my life as I've said many times and I won't willingly be hungry again if I can do something about stopping it by putting in some extra supplies to the pantry. I've been cold too so getting in extra wood which I know we'll burn on the stove in any case means I won't be cold either. If you've not had experience of being either hungry and not being able to do anything to mend that and cold waking up to ice on the inside of windows you can't possibly understand the motivation of someone like me. I'm not a crazy old lady, I'm an older lady whose life has at times been less than comfortable is all!

    The rights or wrongs of us living in a first world country are irrelevant I was cold and hungry living in this first world country back in the 1950s as a child and the 1970s as a very broke divorcee and if I don't make sure it doesn't happen to me again, then who will?
    Last edited by MrsLurcherwalker; 08-08-2018 at 7:59 PM.
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    • maryb
    • By maryb 8th Aug 18, 8:14 PM
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    Melanzana, I'm sorry if this comes across as blunt but it is frankly absurd to say no-one should ever have to prep in a first world country. Just a few posts ago, Dreaming said she stocks up a bit in autumn as she is not too steady on her feet. I'm the same, with osteoporosis and having already fractured my spine, I like the idea of not having to go out if it is icy or even slippy from fallen leaves after a wet spell.

    All sorts of things can go wrong in a first world country. A bad burst water main could leave you without working taps for a couple of days. And having a store of non-perishable staples bought at sale prices is a very good way of keeping costs down over the medium term or riding out a short term cash crisis - does no-one ever have those in first world countries?

    It's called resilience
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 8:22 PM
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    Melanzana, if you've never had to think of preparing your life for anything ever before then this thread has achieved it's reason for existence by making you actually do so. If by raising the issue of making provision for unforeseen happenings saves you and yours from being hungry, cold and helpless at some point in the future then it's worth (sadly though) having made you slightly uncomfortable and upset now lovey. The pressure is there anyway as this is a very complex and unstable world even on a good day fair or unfair if we've made just one person think and possibly act it is a very good thing!
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • melanzana
    • By melanzana 8th Aug 18, 8:38 PM
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    I am not speaking about people who may have mobility or other issues regarding access to provisions. Nor am I referring to BAD weather forecasts either.

    I'm referring to the fear that is being engendered regarding the B word.

    That is totally unnecessary, and if it proves to be necessary the country is totally wrecked really. We have surely moved on from wartime and rations.

    I have a few things in the freezer and the store cupboard and always will, but not because I am fearful of anything. I do not want to be fearful. But that is what I am getting from this thread.

    But it seems prepping is something that people like doing. Fair enough, but it should never be necessary without a warning that we need to do this. That would be air raids or something like that.

    I'm ok with having a few tins, UHT milk in store and bottled water. We will survive a few days on that. Not long term. And I don't think as a proud First World country we should have to prep for anything else really.
    • dreaming
    • By dreaming 8th Aug 18, 8:47 PM
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    Melanzana - I don't think for one minute that we are in imminent danger of a" wartime/nuclear disaster situation" (although who knows with some of the "leaders" that seem to hold the power? I don't think they will give us notice if they did decide to strike), but like others on here I have suffered hardships which often come out of the blue. I live alone and my immediate family live some way away, so when I was ill last year it was comforting (for me and them) to know that I did not have to go out, but could have some basic nourishment (and medication) until they could arrive. When there was a major banking problem a few months ago and people were unable to use their cards, or withdraw cash, I was happy that, not only did I have an alternative bank account to use, I also had some ready cash safely hidden plus some basic stocks so I actually didn't have to use it (have we forgotten the financial crash of 2008, or what happened to Greece more recently?). This what "prepping" is about for me. It isn't about digging bunkers and gathering weapons - and compared to some my "preps" are extremely minimal - but what I would call common sense thinking based on my own, and others' experiences.
    I am glad that you have not had to think about stuff like this in your life, and hopefully you and your family (and the rest of us) will sail through Brexit without noticing. To be honest, I don't particularly think it will be that bad but that is only my opinion. But rather than be upset about it I make a few sensible (again, my opinion) decisions to do what I can to mitigate any possible discomfort, and then get on with my life.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 8:58 PM
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    There's been the warning from the government to start to stock up on food hasn't there? just because life has been wine and roses and pink sunsets for all of an existence doesn't mean it can't and won't change whether you want it to or not. The wartime references are ONLY because people had to be extremely innovative with their thinking to make a better life for themselves on limited availability while it was happening and some of the things they found as solutions work, if they worked then they'll work now IF and only if we need them. No we're not at war, no we haven't got air raid sirens ringing out why would they? it's not a TV programme and it's not an historical re-enactment happening it's real life and whether it's fair or not, whether it should be happening in a first world country or not it IS happening and we all have to deal with it. Don't accuse us of liking to 'play' at prepping because it amuses us, we each of us prep for different reasons, we've all had very different lives and we all see a pertinent reason to take responsibility for our own lives, it harms no one, it's not for 'fun' and if you'd ever got up into an ice cold room in the middle of winter and had to put back on wet shoes when you've got chilblains and walk 5 miles to work and back you'd realise that's not fun either but if I'd had the foresight to have been able to have a second pair of shoes that were dry it would have a darned sight comfier.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • melanzana
    • By melanzana 8th Aug 18, 9:00 PM
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    I am sorry everyone that I may have just upset the echo chamber of the thread.

    I think the views of some here reveal that the B word prep should be totally and utterly necessary now. Sad that. That's what I meant.

    Never mind. I just don't like the B word to be the catalyst for fear and stocking up. Why is it necessary? Haven't heard anything about that!
    • dreaming
    • By dreaming 8th Aug 18, 9:01 PM
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    I'm referring to the fear that is being engendered regarding the B word.

    I have a few things in the freezer and the store cupboard and always will, but not because I am fearful of anything. I do not want to be fearful. But that is what I am getting from this thread.

    But it seems prepping is something that people like doing. Fair enough, but it should never be necessary without a warning that we need to do this. That would be air raids or something like that.

    I'm ok with having a few tins, UHT milk in store and bottled water. We will survive a few days on that. Not long term. And I don't think as a proud First World country we should have to prep for anything else really.
    Originally posted by melanzana
    So you have "prepped" in your own way, which is all most people on these forums do. Some lay in quite large stores and have "bug-out bags" etc., others (like me) like to hope that a few extra bits and pieces will see us thorough most eventualities. Some, of course, do absolutely nothing. But I don't ever see anyone on here (even the more prepared preppers IYSWIM) spreading fear - quite the opposite. Although one or two posters have been a little "contentious" in their views, most are just willing to talk about their own preps in the event it may help someone else.
    One thought that occurs to me though is that it is because we are a first world country that we are able to "prep". I'm sure those in more poverty-stricken, undeveloped countries would like the chance to (plus those in this country whose circumstances aren't so good, and I have a close member of my family in that situation who I try to help when I can).
    If all this continues to upset you, and/or you disagree - don't read this thread.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 9:06 PM
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    a) No trade deal means presumably no trade?
    b) this abysmally hot summer has happened all over the world and crops are smaller or failed because of the heat and the lack of water.
    c) diminished water reservoirs will mean less water available to use.
    d) If crops fail then there won't be much in the shops and what there will be will be expensive.
    e) The supermarkets in this country work on a 'just in time' stock system but that can only work if they can get the supplies to stock the shelves with in the first place, there is no food reserve in this country any more.

    That's without even mentioning the B word.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • melanzana
    • By melanzana 8th Aug 18, 9:15 PM
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    One thought that occurs to me though is that it is because we are a first world country that we are able to "prep". I'm sure those in more poverty-stricken, undeveloped countries would like the chance to (plus those in this country whose circumstances aren't so good, and I have a close member of my family in that situation who I try to help when I can).
    If all this continues to upset you, and/or you disagree - don't read this thread.
    Originally posted by dreaming
    It doesn't upset me at all. Yes I have a couple of days stuff in reserve just because I can, and most people do. But most people do not prep for Armageddon either without a warning from our so called competent Government that the end is nigh.

    And with the utmost respect, I can read and reply if I wish. Unless I am reported for something that posters on this thread might disagree with. Which is possibly likely now. But hopefully not.

    Debate is good.
    • melanzana
    • By melanzana 8th Aug 18, 9:18 PM
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    a) No trade deal means presumably no trade?
    b) this abysmally hot summer has happened all over the world and crops are smaller or failed because of the heat and the lack of water.
    c) diminished water reservoirs will mean less water available to use.
    d) If crops fail then there won't be much in the shops and what there will be will be expensive.
    e) The supermarkets in this country work on a 'just in time' stock system but that can only work if they can get the supplies to stock the shelves with in the first place, there is no food reserve in this country any more.

    That's without even mentioning the B word.
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker
    Don't see any other EU country advocating stocking up because of this really. That's because their lines of supply will be guaranteed under the Single Market.

    Ours won't come B Day though will they?
    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 8th Aug 18, 9:21 PM
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    Debate is about putting your side across for others to ponder. Debate isn't about pulling the opposing side to pieces.

    Debate isn't 'having a go' at a group of people who live their lives in a way that you don't.
    Be like a tree.
    Stay grounded. Connect with your roots. Turn over a new leaf.
    Bend before you break. Enjoy your natural beauty. Keep growing.
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