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    • cuddlymarm
    • By cuddlymarm 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
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    Prepping for Brexit thread
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    • 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
    Prepping for Brexit thread 12th Jun 18 at 1:39 PM
    Hi guys
    Iím pretty well resolved to the fact that Brexit is going to affect us all. I donít want this thread to be a good or bad, right or wrong type thing.
    Just a positive, what can we prepare to make life easier, less expensive, less disruptive when it does happen.

    My aims are to stock up on items I think are going to get more expensive. Also to try and save up an emergency fund ( that will be slow going as OH took early retirement due to illness) and Iím unemployed at the moment.

    So my aims are to work out what items need to be stocked up
    To look for a job
    To live as frugally as possible while eating healthily
    To make sure the savings we have already donít get touched

    So guys please feel free to join in and list anything you think may be affected. Or just to comment. That way we can help each other.

    Hope to hear from you all soon
    Cuddles
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    • Mrs Salad Dodger
    • By Mrs Salad Dodger 8th Aug 18, 12:20 AM
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    I am also not a person for private health care but if I were you I would take the practical route. Not to put too fine a point on it - your principles will not keep you healthy. I apologise if that sounds harsh & I do not mean to offend.

    MrsSD
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 8th Aug 18, 12:38 AM
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    I am also not a person for private health care but if I were you I would take the practical route. Not to put too fine a point on it - your principles will not keep you healthy. I apologise if that sounds harsh & I do not mean to offend.

    MrsSD
    Originally posted by Mrs Salad Dodger

    I'm not offended and I know it is the sensible thing to do but not everyone can afford it and it makes me feel bad about buying my way out of trouble. I think to myself it is ok for Theresa May I bet she's made sure she will get her insulin but I'm think of doing the same thing. I'm struggling with it.
    • mattpaint
    • By mattpaint 8th Aug 18, 3:33 AM
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    Hi

    In earlier posts there's reference to what you post " .. is not scare-mongering", however the posts you've made continually do a very good job of attempting to do just that ... scaremonger ...

    This is not the thread to vent anger at any particular colour/flavour of politicians or attempt to sway public opinion to a remain cause, it's simply one where anyone who has accepted that Brexit is almost certainly going to happen in some form or other share information to mitigate the impact of any trans-border product supply issues which may arise. What I've seen over the past few pages seem to be regurgitation of argument seen elsewhere, much of which can easily be challenged ... taking a sample just from the above-referenced post as an example ...

    - " prices will drop and next year the farmers will produce less" .. in which case there will be considerable pressure from the individual EU countries placed on Brussels to urgently negotiate a fair trading agreement on perishable goods to prevent economic impact, so the 'project fear' point raised becomes self defeating even from an EU standpoint ...

    - " .. See here for WTO tariffs on beef and lamb." ... So, the only reference to tariff details that contains are an industry view of EU border tariffs for imports, not WTO ... interestingly that link actually describes how much the EU penalises imports to protect the internal market ... for example product code 02011000 (Carcases or half-carcases) 12.8% + 176.8 euros/100kg - effectively increases the cost of beef imports by 84% and for sheep carcasses the data shows +46% ... from a consumer pricing point that seems to be something the could have a positive impact on supermarket shelf pricing!. The report also shows an opportunity for the UK to meet a greater proportion of it's own internal market in this sector - addressing this could effectively halve the import requirement in this particular sector with the remainder sourced globally if the EU are slow to agree a fair trade treaty in this sector - Argentina, Brazil, USA & Australia readily come to mind whether on a WTO or negotiated trade deal basis ... it's likely a win/win for UK consumers, a win/loss for UK producers & a loss/loss for EU producers, so again, massive pressure on Brussels to up their performance from various parts of the continent.

    - ".. And I for one .." ... Okay, accepted, there'll be problems with regulating & approval bodies if someone really wants to make them to prove a point by intentionally shortening the potential lifespan of others ... however, the consequences of attempting this would likely be pretty severe if (/when) applying existing EU law & treaty provisions ... what really needs to be understood is that both the medical supplies industry & the medical instrumentation companies exist on a global basis and as such are not controlled by the EU ... in other words, alternative source likely exist for most things and as internationalised standards equivalence already exist in a global market, issues raised regarding this point are usually well exaggerated by those looking to 'scaremonger' for some reason or other ...

    - "We won't be flying to Europe .." - Fine, then we'll be staying at home or flying elsewhere in the opposite direction .... the issue here is that both UK sovereign airspace and UK controlled airspace are currently managed as part of the European Common Aviation Area ... fine, so the likely outcome of not entering into a bilateral aviation agreement & intentionally manufacturing problems for UK flights to EU destinations would be the closure of almost all current EU source transatlantic routes in UK controlled airspace whilst the eastern Atlantic air operations (SOCC) based at Prestwick are fully duplicated within the EU (likely Shannon in Ireland), however, the cost & disruption (ie heavily restricted (/no) transatlantic flights to/from Europe) of actually doing this in the short-term would be immense and therefore something to avoid by relatively straightforward negotiation .... so is this argument really something to stress over, or is it simply another 'project fear' attempt to scaremonger? - well, a few more UK & EU summers like this one & it'll be a moot point, I've no issue with 'staycations' whilst the negotiators discover that it's a 'storm in a teacup' - anyone else?

    The more the argument & indecision raised & caused by those still haven't accepted that we'll be leaving the EU, the less opportunity for planning a route through the process prior to leaving is available ... Brexit could have been a relatively straightforward process if the ideology & emotions of those in denial (within the UK & EU) hadn't got (/weren't still getting) in the way ..

    Less scaremongering would be good overall, but on this thread it makes little difference .... we here are more likely to already have some form of plan than the 'experts' who are supposed to be planning!

    HTH
    Z
    Originally posted by zeupater
    I have to say it's a really bizarre point that leavers keep making that remainers are causing issues with Brexit.

    Where was the brilliant plan? The easiest negotiation in the history of negotiation? Where has it all gone?
    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 8th Aug 18, 7:10 AM
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    I'm not offended and I know it is the sensible thing to do but not everyone can afford it and it makes me feel bad about buying my way out of trouble. I think to myself it is ok for Theresa May I bet she's made sure she will get her insulin but I'm think of doing the same thing. I'm struggling with it.
    Originally posted by humptydumptybits

    Humpty.......no one can help you with your conscience, I'm afraid that's up to you to decide.

    May I suggest before you make any decisions you speak to your husbands medical team and your own GP. Maybe the NHS is making contingency plans, maybe not.

    There's no point in trying to second guess, probably best to find out from the horses mouth where you stand. I guess a lot will depend on the shelf life of the meds in question.

    Whilst The NHS may not actually give medications to patients in advance - I think they have very strict guidelines....they might be quietly getting organised. They probably wouldn't want to advertise the fact that they are stockpiling drugs, especially if they are being kept in surgeries or local chemists. Too easy to rob.

    However, one thing I can tell you......my sister works for a certain well known chemist chain......they have been having supply problems across a range of meds for a couple of years now...... nothing to do with Brexit. And it isn't just their chain either, she tells me that their main competitors are having the same issues.

    TBH. Whatever anyone's personal viewpoint as to whether Brexit is a good or a bad thing one thing that is being highlighted is just how vulnerable the U.K. really is. I think we have outsourced far too many essential goods and services, it's time we brought them home again. Its time we started taking care of business and begin manufacturing for ourselves again.

    We have become far too reliant on imports. I've held this view for a long time. Long before Brexit was a gleam in Cameron's eye I have felt that the U.K. was in a precarious position. Yes, without a doubt Brexit is the catalyst but it was always only a question of time before the chickens came home to roost.

    If it wasn't Brexit it would have been something else.
    Last edited by lessonlearned; 08-08-2018 at 7:24 AM.
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 8th Aug 18, 8:02 AM
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    I've noticed the problem with med shortages. Every time I collect a prescription for my husband something seems to be missing and I have to go back a few days later to collect the missing item. Got a prescription this week and as I was waiting I noticed every person collecting meds was told at least one item was missing. This just makes my worries increase as if it is a problem now how much worse will it be next April?


    My DIL is a doctor so I will speak to her next time I see her and ask what she thinks. I know the govt are supposed to be issuing advice this month so hope med advice will be included.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 8:13 AM
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    I've worked in a pharmacy and when the whole prescription can't be filled on the day it's delivered to the shop it's usually because most smaller pharmacies just can't hold the stock levels high enough to fill the demand from the NHS these days. Increasing population and increasing numbers of prescriptions have outrun the size of stock rooms in many shops. The owing slips are due to that rather than there being a lack of availability of medication. Most pharmacies deal with multiple pharmaceutical wholesalers and get deliveries several times a day but those deliveries fly off the shelves as they come in because there is always a backlog of owings.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • maryb
    • By maryb 8th Aug 18, 8:34 AM
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    Medical ethics would require your private GP to write to your current GP to let him know what he is doing. You run the risk of your NHS GP deciding that the private GP can be responsible for your care henceforth as you can't have two doctors at the same time

    Much better to just ask your GP if they have formulated a policy next time you are in the surgery. They will either tell you, yes, they will issue prescriptions in time to tide you over or they will say they haven't yet. If they haven't yet got a policy in place they will either tell you they expect their local clinical care commissioning group(or whatever it's called these days) to issue guidance or you will prompt them to realise they need to get their ducks in a row which will benefit everyone else
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 8th Aug 18, 9:01 AM
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    There were medication shortages before Article 50 and was triggered. I waited 10 months for a vaccine.

    I used a local pharmacy for my asthma inhalers. Picked one batch up. AstraZeneca, was the brand name but the dosage was different. I had a sticker over the dosage with the dosage I'm prescribed and at the bottom smaller part of the box the original dosage was a scribbled out . I went to the pharmacy to complain. I was assured all was above board because my inhaler came from the EU. I then took it to another local Pharmacy (who I now use) and they explained that what the other pharmacy does is import their stock from EU producers (this case Greece) avoid UK producers, make more profit because EU imports can work out cheaper but run in to problems with different countries labelling. The dosage of my inhaler was the same but the Greeks label it as minimum inhaled dose and the UK know it as maximum inhaled dose.

    It is very unsettling to have a sticker/scribbling out altering the dosage of the inhaler you need for asthma and its even more unsettling that this practise is within acceptable rules in our country. This practise wasn't acceptable to me. I made the change, spoke with my feet and won't do business with, who I feel, are an unethical money grabbing business who conduct themselves in a less than professional manner.

    Argue the heck out of my post. I don't actually care. The NHS is flawed and the EU is flawed. Not only do we have a system where we rely on EU for our own medications, it's ok to bypass UK pharmaceuticals to make more money out of the NHS prescription system. I'd actually like, given that this thread is now political anyway, to be educated why my viewpoint is wrong. While you're atop of your high horse telling me how wrong I am, think about how it feels to have a sticker covering up and scribbling out on a box of medication that essentially keeps you alive.
    Be like a tree.
    Stay grounded. Connect with your roots. Turn over a new leaf.
    Bend before you break. Enjoy your natural beauty. Keep growing.
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 8th Aug 18, 9:09 AM
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    Medical ethics would require your private GP to write to your current GP to let him know what he is doing. You run the risk of your NHS GP deciding that the private GP can be responsible for your care henceforth as you can't have two doctors at the same time

    Much better to just ask your GP if they have formulated a policy next time you are in the surgery. They will either tell you, yes, they will issue prescriptions in time to tide you over or they will say they haven't yet. If they haven't yet got a policy in place they will either tell you they expect their local clinical care commissioning group(or whatever it's called these days) to issue guidance or you will prompt them to realise they need to get their ducks in a row which will benefit everyone else
    Originally posted by maryb

    My GP won't issue prescriptions to tide me over. I have asked, as I said earlier if I ask for my regular prescription early because I am going on holiday he is reluctant to do it even if I am asking a week early. I think he feels if he issues the prescription it isn't his problem where I get the med from which is probably fair enough.


    I'm hoping that when the govt issues advice this month it will include med, the problem is I don't feel great confidence in their planning skills.
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 8th Aug 18, 9:12 AM
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    I've worked in a pharmacy and when the whole prescription can't be filled on the day it's delivered to the shop it's usually because most smaller pharmacies just can't hold the stock levels high enough to fill the demand from the NHS these days. Increasing population and increasing numbers of prescriptions have outrun the size of stock rooms in many shops. The owing slips are due to that rather than there being a lack of availability of medication. Most pharmacies deal with multiple pharmaceutical wholesalers and get deliveries several times a day but those deliveries fly off the shelves as they come in because there is always a backlog of owings.
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker

    It has always happened, the difference is it used to be come back this afternoon or tomorrow when meds will be delivered. Recently it has been come back next week or we are trying to source it. At least this is my experience.
    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 8th Aug 18, 9:33 AM
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    It has always happened, the difference is it used to be come back this afternoon or tomorrow when meds will be delivered. Recently it has been come back next week or we are trying to source it. At least this is my experience.
    Originally posted by humptydumptybits
    Again, we've undoubtedly found ourselves relying on stocks from overseas, as per my post above.
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    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 8th Aug 18, 10:02 AM
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    Fuddle.......you won't get any grief from me.

    I think it is outrageous that suppliers milk the NHS. I also think the NHS could do a lot better with their purchasing systems but that's another argument.

    I cannot understand the sheer stupidity and short sightedness of successive governments allowing the U.K. to become so dependent on importing something so crucial as medicines. It beggars belief.

    Greed and profit before safety.
    • maryb
    • By maryb 8th Aug 18, 10:04 AM
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    My GP won't issue prescriptions to tide me over. I have asked, as I said earlier if I ask for my regular prescription early because I am going on holiday he is reluctant to do it even if I am asking a week early. I think he feels if he issues the prescription it isn't his problem where I get the med from which is probably fair enough.


    I'm hoping that when the govt issues advice this month it will include med, the problem is I don't feel great confidence in their planning skills.
    Originally posted by humptydumptybits
    That may well be the case in normal times but where is the harm in asking if he will do it to cover Brexit day? At the very least it will concentrate his mind
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 10:32 AM
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    My very co-operative GP has actually given me a written prescription to cover any delay there may be in changing to a new practice in our new area. I asked on the suggestion that I'd like to be covered but won't use it if the medical records come through to the new surgery quickly enough, it usually takes a month or more, and they will issue a prescription for my normal meds without me having to have an appointment.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 8th Aug 18, 11:47 AM
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    I have to say it's a really bizarre point that leavers keep making that remainers are causing issues with Brexit.

    Where was the brilliant plan? The easiest negotiation in the history of negotiation? Where has it all gone?
    Originally posted by mattpaint
    Hi

    Whether posting as a 'remainer' or an 'accepting leaver' makes little difference, but there's definitely plenty of evidence to support the point made ...
    The more the argument & indecision raised & caused by those still haven't accepted that we'll be leaving the EU, the less opportunity for planning a route through the process prior to leaving is available ... Brexit could have been a relatively straightforward process if the ideology & emotions of those in denial (within the UK & EU) hadn't got (/weren't still getting) in the way ..
    ... there are plenty within the Eurocracy, the UK political system, the UK public sector & various lobbing groups that have been stirring up a storm and playing any delay card they can in hope of raising anxiety levels as deadlines approach in the belief that everyone will panic and surrender to their particular viewpoint ... of course, if much that could easily be agreed had already been agreed, then their argument would be so much more difficult ... that's the reason why everything is made to look difficult!

    The rate of progress for negotiations & the level of difficulties involved is dictated by those that agree least with what's being negotiated ... if there's a deadline then it's pretty normal for little to happen until it approaches as it suits the side that accept the process the least ... in the case of Brexit that'd be the EU, those with vested interests & those still in denial ...

    HTH
    Z
    Last edited by zeupater; 08-08-2018 at 11:50 AM.
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    • mattpaint
    • By mattpaint 8th Aug 18, 11:56 AM
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    Hi

    Whether posting as a 'remainer' or an 'accepting leaver' makes little difference, but there's definitely plenty of evidence to support the point made ...
    ... there are plenty within the Eurocracy, the UK political system, the UK public sector & various lobbing groups that have been stirring up a storm and playing any delay card they can in hope of raising anxiety levels as deadlines approach in the belief that everyone will panic and surrender to their particular viewpoint ... of course, if much that could easily be agreed had already been agreed, then their argument would be so much more difficult ... that's the reason why everything is made to look difficult!

    The rate of progress for negotiations & the level of difficulties involved is dictated by those that agree least with what's being negotiated ... if there's a deadline then it's pretty normal for little to happen until it approaches as it suits the side that accept the process the least ... in the case of Brexit that'd be the EU & those still in denial ...

    HTH
    Z
    Originally posted by zeupater
    I'm very sorry but this becomes more bizarre by the second. Before Brexit all but two national newspapers pushed for leaving and furthered the picture that the leavers were painting of how this would be a glorious, magnificent event unrivalled in British history. Anyone pointing out the downsides was told that wouldn't happen and overnight we lost billions from our economy and slipped down the world rankings.

    Now those same newspapers are reporting on the very real concerns about how Brexit is being handled and what it will mean in actuality and they're accused of scaremongering and trying to put it off? They still want Brexit, but all the brilliant plans leavers claimed to have don't exist. Leavers need to deliver - not blame their own deficiencies on remainers who are only pointing out this is an act of self-mutilation not seen before.

    I ask everyone defending Brexit the same thing - how many job losses are acceptable? How much should our economy collapse before it becomes unacceptable?
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 8th Aug 18, 12:19 PM
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    I'm very sorry but this becomes more bizarre by the second. Before Brexit all but two national newspapers pushed for leaving and furthered the picture that the leavers were painting of how this would be a glorious, magnificent event unrivalled in British history. Anyone pointing out the downsides was told that wouldn't happen and overnight we lost billions from our economy and slipped down the world rankings.

    Now those same newspapers are reporting on the very real concerns about how Brexit is being handled and what it will mean in actuality and they're accused of scaremongering and trying to put it off? They still want Brexit, but all the brilliant plans leavers claimed to have don't exist. Leavers need to deliver - not blame their own deficiencies on remainers who are only pointing out this is an act of self-mutilation not seen before.

    I ask everyone defending Brexit the same thing - how many job losses are acceptable? How much should our economy collapse before it becomes unacceptable?
    Originally posted by mattpaint
    Hi

    ... and that's irrelevant simply because your argument is totally based on division and not accepting that the decision that has been made has actually been made ... whether you're fretting about leaving or simply stirring that storm in a teacup is really your own concern ... may I respectfully inform you that this thread is not for pseudo-politics, weeping denial or deep-seated trolling about Brexit, it's one for individuals who couldn't really give a flying-fig for what happened as it's now effectively history & simply look to discuss areas which are more likely to require changes to a general personal contingency plan (ie 'prepping' for an unknown event) in order to encompass issues that are more likely to happen as a result of the UK leaving the EU in a few months time!

    Thank you for your interest, but any old newspapers in our home have already been allocated an alternative use within our own plan, and it's not re-reading!

    Z
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    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 8th Aug 18, 12:30 PM
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    That may well be the case in normal times but where is the harm in asking if he will do it to cover Brexit day? At the very least it will concentrate his mind
    Originally posted by maryb

    He won't. Don't know if I'm not explaining this very well but he won't do anything other than issue a prescription for 8 weeks of tablets every 8 weeks. I've asked, he won't do it hence I am hoping the advice the govt are supposed to be issuing this month will clarify the situation.



    I used to get a six month prescription which was dispensed in 8 week batches, this has stopped. I have no idea why, I wonder if it is a budget issue for the surgery as I can't see any other reason. We do have a crisis locally with a shortage of doctors and our local surgery being taken our by a larger practice some distance away as it used to be a 3 doctor practice and 2 retired and the remaining doctor just couldn't run it himself. Healthcare is in crisis quite apart from any Brexit complications.
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 8th Aug 18, 12:48 PM
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    He won't. Don't know if I'm not explaining this very well but he won't do anything other than issue a prescription for 8 weeks of tablets every 8 weeks. I've asked, he won't do it hence I am hoping the advice the govt are supposed to be issuing this month will clarify the situation.

    I used to get a six month prescription which was dispensed in 8 week batches, this has stopped. I have no idea why, I wonder if it is a budget issue for the surgery as I can't see any other reason. We do have a crisis locally with a shortage of doctors and our local surgery being taken our by a larger practice some distance away as it used to be a 3 doctor practice and 2 retired and the remaining doctor just couldn't run it himself. Healthcare is in crisis quite apart from any Brexit complications.
    Originally posted by humptydumptybits
    Hi

    Don't know whether this will help relieve the anxiety, but have you tried to find out where the medication is manufactured as there's a fair chance that it'll be in the UK ...

    The government themselves don't seem to anticipate much of a problem, however it does look like there'll be a forward-build of contingency stocks for the NHS to cover issues at changeover.

    Maybe this would be of interest, it probably won't help at an individual level, but it does provide a view of what the industry itself believes the general position to be ... https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmbeis/382/38205.htm ... (2/16)
    16.The World Trade Organisation's Pharmaceutical Tariff Elimination Agreement means that relying on WTO rules in the event of a 'no deal' scenario would not have as significant impact on the pharmaceutical sector as for other sectors that Committee has considered. However, there are still significant concerns that it could injure the UK's position as a manufacturing base, a global supply hub and as a manufacturer and recipient of new and innovative medicines ...
    HTH
    Z
    Last edited by zeupater; 08-08-2018 at 12:50 PM. Reason: formatting correction
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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Aug 18, 12:58 PM
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    The purpose of this thread isn't to score points off each other defending political stances or the reporting of Brexit n the media by people who only want to sell papers.

    The purpose of this thread is to try and make the transition between pre Brexit life and post Brexit life as bearable as we can make it. Start another thread for the purpose of points scoring if you must, start another thread for the people who are feeling so very angry and vengeful that the vote was YES and not the no they wanted BUT please just leave this one for people who actually want to make their lives as good as they can once the end of March next year has gone and we see what we've got left as life in the UK!

    If you want to argue all of you, please find your own space to do it in!

    Thank you!
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