Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • cuddlymarm
    • By cuddlymarm 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
    • 1,165Posts
    • 5,927Thanks
    cuddlymarm
    Prepping for Brexit thread
    • #1
    • 12th Jun 18, 1:39 PM
    Prepping for Brexit thread 12th Jun 18 at 1:39 PM
    Hi guys
    Iím pretty well resolved to the fact that Brexit is going to affect us all. I donít want this thread to be a good or bad, right or wrong type thing.
    Just a positive, what can we prepare to make life easier, less expensive, less disruptive when it does happen.

    My aims are to stock up on items I think are going to get more expensive. Also to try and save up an emergency fund ( that will be slow going as OH took early retirement due to illness) and Iím unemployed at the moment.

    So my aims are to work out what items need to be stocked up
    To look for a job
    To live as frugally as possible while eating healthily
    To make sure the savings we have already donít get touched

    So guys please feel free to join in and list anything you think may be affected. Or just to comment. That way we can help each other.

    Hope to hear from you all soon
    Cuddles
Page 36
    • puttee
    • By puttee 7th Aug 18, 12:19 PM
    • 15 Posts
    • 46 Thanks
    puttee
    As others have pointed out, nearly everything is speculation at the moment as negotiations are ongoing and nobody knows the outcome. It is useful I find in knowing what is speculation and what will actually be in force if various things happen.

    One topic that seems very fuzzy is the post-Brexit tariff situation with some wildly different opinions and views. Some assume that we will be absolutely free to do as we wish, and I think some politicians have led people to believe this. But it is rather more complicated than that. There is a good short piece in Full Fact (there are lots of other sources of this info too) which I have found useful in better understanding what one outcome we might have to face as a country.

    https://fullfact.org/economy/post-brexit-trade-tariffs/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjdH1oOba3AIVCSjTCh3mqgGrEAAYASA AEgI_WvD_BwE


    It is a difficult topic, but I think the more we inform ourselves the better.



    HTH
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 7th Aug 18, 12:26 PM
    • 12,482 Posts
    • 173,416 Thanks
    MrsLurcherwalker
    We'll get what we get, and we'll have to cope with it because IT is what we'll have. I'm not into the politics just the practicalities and because we're British and not afraid of some hard work and tough times I STILL maintain that we will all as a nation rally round and MAKE THE BEST OF IT THAT WE CAN!

    You can spread doom and gloom and dire forecasts until you run out of breath and I will still feel the same way because I've been cold, hungry and unhappy before and survived what life in all it's uncaring way can toss in my path, and I KNOW I CAN DO IT AGAIN!

    I will NOT be afraid, I will get on with it and as said before like a tired old record I will make the best of it that I can!!!
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 7th Aug 18, 12:44 PM
    • 10,407 Posts
    • 65,491 Thanks
    lessonlearned
    Mrs LW you are right as always.

    Whilst I'm not an ostrich and I fully appreciate that we may not be in for an easy ride I genuinely believe that all this doom and gloom mongering does no good at all. Project Fear and all that is just a sheer waste of time and energy.

    I'm a roll up your sleeves and get stuck in kind of gal, always was, always will be.

    What we need is for everyone to grow a backbone, stop whinging and start getting their heads round how they are going to not only survive but thrive. How they are going to look after themselves, their loved ones and maybe help their communities where they can.

    I too have been poor, cold and hungry. So what ......it didnt kill me. But what it did do was give me the drive, ambition and determination to build myself a decent life. A determination which I still have to this day.

    Am I going to let Project Fear reduce me to a quivering wreck, whimpering in the corner.

    Absolutely not!!!! I am no quitter. I'm going to get ready and meet the challenges that I face head on. Same as always.
    Last edited by lessonlearned; 07-08-2018 at 12:49 PM.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 7th Aug 18, 1:12 PM
    • 12,482 Posts
    • 173,416 Thanks
    MrsLurcherwalker
    LessonLearned my take on life in general is that every second wasted in anger, every second spent in thinking 'what if?' and every second spent in fear of something that we can't even begin to guess the outcome of is a second wasted when I could be doing something positive to make my life better and make slightly more sure of my own control over my future. I too am not a quitter, certainly not a quitter before the event and if I find things after the event hard well, I'm not a quitter then either!
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • GustyGardenGalaxy
    • By GustyGardenGalaxy 7th Aug 18, 2:11 PM
    • 631 Posts
    • 179 Thanks
    GustyGardenGalaxy
    An expert in international trade educated James O'Brien on what will happen after Britain leaves the European Union


    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/expert-schools-james-obrien-on-brexit-facts/



    Listen and weep for for the UK and its people.
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 7th Aug 18, 3:32 PM
    • 4,257 Posts
    • 5,654 Thanks
    zeupater
    It could be 50 years before we see the economic benefits of Leaving according to Jacob Rees-Mogg, or if you prefer a businessman's perspective - 100 years. Both of them supported and campaigned for Leave. But as you say, it's not permanent.

    Once prices go up they do not come down. The increases in the cost of living will be permanent, and if the border control discussions and planning taking place right now are to be believed, EU members will not want their produce sitting in a lorry park for four days while we check paperwork. One truckload of fruit, veg, meat and dairy going off will be the only one each EU's exporter will be prepared to accept because food margins are low, trucks are an expensive investment, and the drivers' time expensive. After that, they will simply not both trying to bring us any food at all. There will be a glut in Europe, prices will drop and next year the farmers will produce less.

    See here for WTO tariffs on beef and lamb. There are no doubt other documents readily available for other products such as medicines (if we have the regulatory infrastructure in place that makes importing them legal). We will be paying tariffs on imported food until we can do trade deals but we won't be getting better terms than anyone who currently has a trade deal with the EU. So that's not permanent, but it will significantly increase the price of 40% of our food.

    And I for one am praying neither I, nor anyone I care about, gets diagnosed with cancer in the forseeable future, because it'll be a fatal diagnosis with No Deal. That may not be permanent, and for the majority of people that's fine. For those currently taking shedloads of imported drugs because they had bowel cancer a couple of years ago, it's not so comforting that one day, some time in the future, we'll be able to import radioactive isotopes again if it comes back. Don't get breast cancer, either, obviously. Does any on this thread know how long does it take to train nuclear scientists?

    You can be absolutely certain that all of the MPs on the front bench have private medical insurance, and that they can afford to fly to anywhere they can get treated. I can't, but maybe others on this thread can. If not, better start saving. It won't be permanent, but it might taka few years to do these trade deals, so stay well until then.

    We won't be flying to Europe, because the Open Skies agreement ends with our No Deal departure from the EU. Michael O'Leary has been warning about this for over two years, so it's not news.
    Originally posted by Honey Bear
    Hi

    In earlier posts there's reference to what you post " .. is not scare-mongering", however the posts you've made continually do a very good job of attempting to do just that ... scaremonger ...

    This is not the thread to vent anger at any particular colour/flavour of politicians or attempt to sway public opinion to a remain cause, it's simply one where anyone who has accepted that Brexit is almost certainly going to happen in some form or other share information to mitigate the impact of any trans-border product supply issues which may arise. What I've seen over the past few pages seem to be regurgitation of argument seen elsewhere, much of which can easily be challenged ... taking a sample just from the above-referenced post as an example ...

    - " prices will drop and next year the farmers will produce less" .. in which case there will be considerable pressure from the individual EU countries placed on Brussels to urgently negotiate a fair trading agreement on perishable goods to prevent economic impact, so the 'project fear' point raised becomes self defeating even from an EU standpoint ...

    - " .. See here for WTO tariffs on beef and lamb." ... So, the only reference to tariff details that contains are an industry view of EU border tariffs for imports, not WTO ... interestingly that link actually describes how much the EU penalises imports to protect the internal market ... for example product code 02011000 (Carcases or half-carcases) 12.8% + 176.8 euros/100kg - effectively increases the cost of beef imports by 84% and for sheep carcasses the data shows +46% ... from a consumer pricing point that seems to be something the could have a positive impact on supermarket shelf pricing!. The report also shows an opportunity for the UK to meet a greater proportion of it's own internal market in this sector - addressing this could effectively halve the import requirement in this particular sector with the remainder sourced globally if the EU are slow to agree a fair trade treaty in this sector - Argentina, Brazil, USA & Australia readily come to mind whether on a WTO or negotiated trade deal basis ... it's likely a win/win for UK consumers, a win/loss for UK producers & a loss/loss for EU producers, so again, massive pressure on Brussels to up their performance from various parts of the continent.

    - ".. And I for one .." ... Okay, accepted, there'll be problems with regulating & approval bodies if someone really wants to make them to prove a point by intentionally shortening the potential lifespan of others ... however, the consequences of attempting this would likely be pretty severe if (/when) applying existing EU law & treaty provisions ... what really needs to be understood is that both the medical supplies industry & the medical instrumentation companies exist on a global basis and as such are not controlled by the EU ... in other words, alternative source likely exist for most things and as internationalised standards equivalence already exist in a global market, issues raised regarding this point are usually well exaggerated by those looking to 'scaremonger' for some reason or other ...

    - "We won't be flying to Europe .." - Fine, then we'll be staying at home or flying elsewhere in the opposite direction .... the issue here is that both UK sovereign airspace and UK controlled airspace are currently managed as part of the European Common Aviation Area ... fine, so the likely outcome of not entering into a bilateral aviation agreement & intentionally manufacturing problems for UK flights to EU destinations would be the closure of almost all current EU source transatlantic routes in UK controlled airspace whilst the eastern Atlantic air operations (SOCC) based at Prestwick are fully duplicated within the EU (likely Shannon in Ireland), however, the cost & disruption (ie heavily restricted (/no) transatlantic flights to/from Europe) of actually doing this in the short-term would be immense and therefore something to avoid by relatively straightforward negotiation .... so is this argument really something to stress over, or is it simply another 'project fear' attempt to scaremonger? - well, a few more UK & EU summers like this one & it'll be a moot point, I've no issue with 'staycations' whilst the negotiators discover that it's a 'storm in a teacup' - anyone else?

    The more the argument & indecision raised & caused by those still haven't accepted that we'll be leaving the EU, the less opportunity for planning a route through the process prior to leaving is available ... Brexit could have been a relatively straightforward process if the ideology & emotions of those in denial (within the UK & EU) hadn't got (/weren't still getting) in the way ..

    Less scaremongering would be good overall, but on this thread it makes little difference .... we here are more likely to already have some form of plan than the 'experts' who are supposed to be planning!

    HTH
    Z
    Last edited by zeupater; 07-08-2018 at 3:36 PM. Reason: +euros
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 7th Aug 18, 3:41 PM
    • 10,407 Posts
    • 65,491 Thanks
    lessonlearned
    I'm out!!!
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker
    Tbh. I too am fed up with the politics on here.

    I thought this thread was supposed to be a practical guide and a place to share ideas and information of how to prepare ourselves for whatever we may have to face, not to engage in political point scoring.

    (The title of the thread was self explanatory was it not)

    Instead it has been systematically hijacked by people who want to spread what amounts to hysteria and who have a political axe to grind.

    The place for political posturing is on the Discussion board.

    The Old Style boards are for people who want to take a practical hands on approach to saving money and to managing their lives well.

    I too am now out.

    I leave the Politicos to their hand wringing and posturing.
    • Farway
    • By Farway 7th Aug 18, 3:49 PM
    • 6,390 Posts
    • 10,488 Thanks
    Farway
    Tbh. I too am fed up with the politics on here.

    I thought this thread was supposed to be a practical guide and a place to share ideas and information of how to prepare ourselves for whatever we may have to face, not to engage in political point scoring.

    (The title of the thread was self explanatory was it not)

    Instead it has been systematically hijacked by people who want to spread what amounts to hysteria and who have a political axe to grind.

    The place for political posturing is on the Discussion board.

    The Old Style boards are for people who want to take a practical hands on approach to saving money and to managing their lives well.

    I too am now out.

    I leave the Politicos to their hand wringing and posturing.
    Originally posted by lessonlearned
    I'm following you out the door.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 7th Aug 18, 3:50 PM
    • 12,482 Posts
    • 173,416 Thanks
    MrsLurcherwalker
    Lessonlearned I deleted that post because I'm still able to add something to the discussion and if I walk away the thread will have one less voice trying to give a little hope to people in this sad situation and leave it to the doomsayers who are wallowing in self pity and striking out at all and sundry who have the nerve not to agree with them. There has to be a balance and a voice that isn't just about what will be lost and whose fault it is, there has to be a voice to say it's got two sides this debate and there has to be a voice of reason and reasoning not just mine but the voice of the 52% of people who DID vote leave not because we are light minded idiots who listened to the wrong side of the argument but because that's freedom of thought, speech and action within a democracy and needs some champions!
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • GustyGardenGalaxy
    • By GustyGardenGalaxy 7th Aug 18, 4:11 PM
    • 631 Posts
    • 179 Thanks
    GustyGardenGalaxy
    An expert in international trade educated James O'Brien on what will happen after Britain leaves the European Union

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/expert-schools-james-obrien-on-brexit-facts/


    Listen and weep for for the UK and its people.
    Originally posted by GustyGardenGalaxy

    No comments on this? Please listen to the interview, it's extremely important.
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 7th Aug 18, 4:47 PM
    • 4,257 Posts
    • 5,654 Thanks
    zeupater
    No comments on this? Please listen to the interview, it's extremely important.
    Originally posted by GustyGardenGalaxy
    Hi

    I listened! ... .... if the content was made in context, and everyone had time to check the context I'm referring to, then it might be worthy of comment, however, I did like the presenter's retort as it just about sums up and balances the caller's virtual & obviously well rehearsed rant ... "our passports will be blue" ... love it, if only more people applied their sense of humour to such things maybe the world would be a less stressful place ....

    Did it make me want to particularly worry or weep about the effect of Brexit, no ... however I did start to worry a little about the effect of a stressful full bodied rant on the caller's blood-pressure!

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 7th Aug 18, 4:49 PM
    • 12,482 Posts
    • 173,416 Thanks
    MrsLurcherwalker
    I don't know about passports being blue it will be our mood that will be blue unless we get on and start planning how to go forward and not who to blame, perhaps we need a 'blue moon' moment and common sense will return from whence it has departed to?
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • maryb
    • By maryb 7th Aug 18, 4:52 PM
    • 3,869 Posts
    • 47,975 Thanks
    maryb
    Mrs L I feel the same way so I will stick around although I do sometimes think it's pointless trying to make reasonable points with people who are determined only to think the worst

    And to think DH tells me I'm a pessimist. Actually if you look at my signature I see myself as being practical. Keep your glass topped up and stay cheerful

    However I can't let one thing pass. I disagree strongly with Jacob Rees Mogg on innumerable issues. But he did NOT say it will be 50 years before we see any benefit from leaving. He said the benefits would flow over the course of the next 50 years. Quite different. In effect he was saying that our children's lives will be better than they would have been.

    Whether or not you agree with him is a matter of debate but not one I will enter into. I will continue to concentrate on keeping my glass topped up
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 7th Aug 18, 4:59 PM
    • 12,482 Posts
    • 173,416 Thanks
    MrsLurcherwalker
    CHEERS! Mary!

    It's a bit like having the vote, if you don't at least try to get what you believe in to happen then you've negated all the sacrifice made by those stalwarts who got us the vote in the first place. So if you don't vote you've no leg to stand on when it comes to how we're governed and you don't like it!


    If I don't try to keep people looking positively towards a different but not necessarily disastrous future then I'm letting down my own beliefs as a prepper so I will continue to put in my 'two pence worth' of my own brand of philosophy on life and not let all the wailing banshees have the only say in what is a really important discussion for all of us to have.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 7th Aug 18, 5:00 PM
    • 10,407 Posts
    • 65,491 Thanks
    lessonlearned
    No comments on this? Please listen to the interview, it's extremely important.
    Originally posted by GustyGardenGalaxy
    No, no comment.

    I Listened but Didn't learn anything I didn't already know.

    Brexit is a done deal......and no amount of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth is going to change that fact.


    Post Brexit The world will keep spinning on its axis, the sun will rise and set and the moon will wax and wane.

    So ......I'm just going to take a leap of faith.......and get on with the business of living.

    PS. Mrs LW. You win......I'll stick around. Lol.
    • Honey Bear
    • By Honey Bear 7th Aug 18, 6:36 PM
    • 5,214 Posts
    • 51,873 Thanks
    Honey Bear
    However I can't let one thing pass. I disagree strongly with Jacob Rees Mogg on innumerable issues. But he did NOT say it will be 50 years before we see any benefit from leaving. He said the benefits would flow over the course of the next 50 years. Quite different. In effect he was saying that our children's lives will be better than they would have been.

    Whether or not you agree with him is a matter of debate but not one I will enter into. I will continue to concentrate on keeping my glass topped up
    Originally posted by maryb
    Here's the clip for the exact wording.

    Prepping is a political act. It presupposes that the government will not be able to manage either the economy or the welfare to the benefit of a country's citizens.

    During the war hoarding was regarded as 'not the done thing.' How times have changed.
    Keeping it AF
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 7th Aug 18, 6:56 PM
    • 16,359 Posts
    • 45,292 Thanks
    moneyistooshorttomention
    ....and some of us are seeing potential "silver linings".

    I swear there's a lot more tourists round the area I'm living in (ie West Wales) than in any year since I moved here. Guess right now - it's down to global warming creating huge temperatures abroad or the fact that this part of the country is that little bit cooler on average than, say, Southern England.

    But they are here - and they're spending....
    ****************
    • littlegreenparrot
    • By littlegreenparrot 7th Aug 18, 7:11 PM
    • 246 Posts
    • 1,603 Thanks
    littlegreenparrot
    I am a rather anxious pragmatist who finds comfort with a plan.

    I am capable of winding myself up so much I'm incapable of doing anything, so am trying not to engage to much with the doom laden atmosphere.

    I understand the possible implications, there are more significant ones than me not being able to get the fancy tomatoes I'm partial to.
    Partly because the negotiations seem to be a pigs ear.

    But as an individual I cannot live in fear of the unknown when I can have no impact on it. The normal prepping stuff applies, food in the cupboard, batteries in the torch, fuel for the camp stove, a bit of cash put by. I've needed them before for other reasons, may need it again.
    • tori.k
    • By tori.k 7th Aug 18, 8:21 PM
    • 3,253 Posts
    • 8,545 Thanks
    tori.k
    Here's the clip for the exact wording.

    Prepping is a political act. It presupposes that the government will not be able to manage either the economy or the welfare to the benefit of a country's citizens.

    During the war hoarding was regarded as 'not the done thing.' How times have changed.
    Originally posted by Honey Bear
    If you want to be pedantic prepping wasn't frowned upon pre-war it was adding to the stocks once rationing was in place that would land you in a world of trouble.
    This is a pre-preparedness thread
    The ministry of food actively encouraged as much self sufficiency as possible with the Dig for Victory campaign and the chicken and pig clubs.
    As humans we have always stored food for future use we wouldn't have lasted the winters if we didn't.
    Debit to Credit (stage 1) 3652.34 completed 15/10/16
    Debit to Credit (stage 2) 6299.09 completed 25/06/17
    Mortgage Free (stage 3) 140000/ 2127
    Save 12k in 2018 #76 3000/6000
    • humptydumptybits
    • By humptydumptybits 7th Aug 18, 11:47 PM
    • 1,064 Posts
    • 2,128 Thanks
    humptydumptybits
    Mrs LW you are right as always.

    Whilst I'm not an ostrich and I fully appreciate that we may not be in for an easy ride I genuinely believe that all this doom and gloom mongering does no good at all. Project Fear and all that is just a sheer waste of time and energy.

    I'm a roll up your sleeves and get stuck in kind of gal, always was, always will be.

    What we need is for everyone to grow a backbone, stop whinging and start getting their heads round how they are going to not only survive but thrive. How they are going to look after themselves, their loved ones and maybe help their communities where they can.

    I too have been poor, cold and hungry. So what ......it didnt kill me. But what it did do was give me the drive, ambition and determination to build myself a decent life. A determination which I still have to this day.

    Am I going to let Project Fear reduce me to a quivering wreck, whimpering in the corner.

    Absolutely not!!!! I am no quitter. I'm going to get ready and meet the challenges that I face head on. Same as always.
    Originally posted by lessonlearned

    I agree to some extent but I do have worries. When we are told that medication might be in short supply while customs etc gets sorted out it is a big worry to me. My husband is disabled and uses a variety of medication and it would be difficult if we ran out, I have a chronic condition and if my med disappeared for a few weeks the organ damage would be difficult to cope with, ultimately it could be fatal but I imagine (hope) it would get sorted out before that happened. My doctor will only give me a prescription for 8 weeks supply and if I need it early (say if I am going on holiday) he won't issue it without a reason. I will be due a prescription at the end of Feb, early March and it will run out in April. I think it is reasonable for me to have concerns about that as it could kill me.


    On a practical note I'm thinking of seeing a private doctor to get a prescription for an extra couple of months. It is difficult as I don't believe in private health care so do I stand by my principles or take the practical route?
    Last edited by humptydumptybits; 07-08-2018 at 11:53 PM.
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

1,474Posts Today

8,517Users online

Martin's Twitter
  • Ta ta... for now. This August, as I try and do every few yrs, I'm lucky enough to be taking a sabbatical. No work,? https://t.co/Xx4R3eLhFG

  • RT @lethalbrignull: @MartinSLewis I've been sitting here for a good while trying to decide my answer to this, feeling grateful for living i?

  • Early days but currently it's exactly 50 50 in liberality v democracy, with younger people more liberal, older more? https://t.co/YwJr4izuIj

  • Follow Martin