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    • Sunbeam456
    • By Sunbeam456 17th May 18, 10:06 PM
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    QDR solicitor - letter before claim?
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    • 17th May 18, 10:06 PM
    QDR solicitor - letter before claim? 17th May 18 at 10:06 PM
    Hi,
    i have read newbies #2, posting a new thread as suggested.
    received a letter which looks to me like a LBC however it is not titled as such.

    brief history - PCN for not paying for enough parking, spent too long shopping.
    car park in a town centre managed by a small company i shall not name , letter received. i did not appeal and i did not contact the car park or town center to complain.
    debt collectors - zzps - 3 letters received with photograph of my car and the reg plate. outstanding balance now £160 due to debt collector fees.
    i 'robustly responded' stating my intention not to pay using a suggested template.

    Letter from QDR as follows:-

    ''we have been instructed by ZZPS ltd who are acting on behalf of ..... in connection with the recovery of the debt, which has been incurred following the failure to repay the parking charge notice, and we require you to make payment in full within the next 14 days.

    failure to make payment in full or contact us to discuss repayment of this debt may result in us recommending to our client that we pass this matter over to our Litigation department. this may mean they will look to obtain a CCJ. the possible impacts of having a CCJ registered against you are :
    (etc) ''

    the letter is headed with the relevant reference numbers, vehicle reg, the location of the incident, the 'event' failure to pay the correct parking fee, the car park opertor and the fee.

    FYI - i live in England and i am the registered keeper. it is not a lease car.

    Questions - can i use the suggested templates to write back, (such as daniel san's)?
    - should i still complain to the car park owners?
    - do i need to have good read of the Practice Direction on pre action conduct? theres so much information to take in
    - should i make a without prejudice offer?
    - if it goes to court am i definitely NOT going to get a CCJ automatically, i am really quite worried about this even after reading that ''its OK as long as i pay what the judge tells me to''...

    Really appreciate any help on this, thanks
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 18, 10:08 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:08 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:08 PM
    QDR don't sue; this is just a debt collector letter from ZZPS/connected to them.

    Search the forum for QDR as your keyword. No action needed yet.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th May 18, 10:19 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:19 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:19 PM
    received a letter which looks to me like a LBC however it is not titled as such.
    So how do you draw your conclusion that it 'looks to me like a LBC'? Do you have experience of such documents?

    brief history - PCN for not paying for enough parking, spent too long shopping.
    car park in a town centre managed by a small company i shall not name ,
    Why not? It's important information to us to give you specific advice into how far this might go.

    QDR are debt collectors. Read the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #4 about how to deal with DCAs.

    Questions - can i use the suggested templates to write back, (such as daniel san's)? Too late for any appeal now it's at DCA stage.
    - should i still complain to the car park owners? Can work, don't try, don't get.
    - do i need to have good read of the Practice Direction on pre action conduct? theres so much information to take in How else will you know what it says unless you have a 'good read', but personally, I'd leave it until I got a real LBC.
    - should i make a without prejudice offer? 'And accept some degree of liability? Not your best plan at this stage.
    - if it goes to court am i definitely NOT going to get a CCJ automatically, i am really quite worried about this even after reading that ''its OK as long as i pay what the judge tells me to''... Exactly that - we've said this so many times, how can we dress it up any differently to convince you? We don't mislead posters!
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Sunbeam456
    • By Sunbeam456 17th May 18, 10:20 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:20 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:20 PM
    Ok I will search QDR. Are you saying this is not actually a LBC yet? As I thought these should not be ignored, and a chance of going to court if no response in 14 days. Am I to expect anything else now?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 18, 10:28 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:28 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:28 PM
    and a chance of going to court if no response in 14 days
    That alone tells you this isn't a proper LBC, given the pre-action protocol:

    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/pdf/protocols/debt-pap.pdf

    Doesn't stack up does it?

    When you search for QDR you'll see what we mean. No court claims come from this stage.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • Sunbeam456
    • By Sunbeam456 17th May 18, 10:32 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:32 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:32 PM
    Sorry, Iím not asking whether I should appeal...I thought the templates such as Daniel sanís were for use in the case of LBC. Which I thought was what I had. I have ZERO experience of these
    The parking company is called Bank Park Management ltd.
    Thanks for the reassurance
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th May 18, 10:38 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:38 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:38 PM
    https://padi.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/207421439-Bank-Park-Management-Ltd

    http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata/Bank_Park_Management.html
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th May 18, 10:43 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:43 PM
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    • 17th May 18, 10:43 PM
    "failure to make payment in full or contact us to discuss repayment of this debt may result in us recommending to our client that we pass this matter over to our Litigation department. this may mean they will look to obtain a CCJ. the possible impacts of having a CCJ registered against you are"

    They will look to obtain a CCJ ???????
    What a bunch of idiots QDR are

    As you have said, you already know they are talking
    a lot of rubbish.

    BUT ..... as QDR are a set up of the infamous
    Wright Hassall Solicitors, we have come to expect
    this verbal Diarrhoea from them

    Wright Hassall, wake up, start to get professional
    and maybe if you clean up your act, at least one
    person might believe you
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    • Sunbeam456
    • By Sunbeam456 18th May 18, 10:38 AM
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    • 18th May 18, 10:38 AM
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    • 18th May 18, 10:38 AM
    i think i'm getting it - Court Claim can only be started by the parking management company not the debt collectors, the letter will come from the court? QDR are debt collectors, not solicitors? QDR cannot send bailiffs round, further harassment is to be expected.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 18th May 18, 11:22 AM
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    i think i'm getting it - Court Claim can only be started by the parking management company not the debt collectors, the letter will come from the court? QDR are debt collectors, not solicitors? QDR cannot send bailiffs round, further harassment is to be expected.
    Originally posted by Sunbeam456
    That's about it but QDR are an offshoot of the infamous
    Wright Hassall and by some quirk are classed as solicitors

    So QDR can start court proceedings but you received
    a debt collector letter.
    Instructions for this action will come from the PPC

    For QDR to start proceedings, they must first jump
    through many hoops and provide you with proof
    of their claim and then give you 30 days to respond,
    that is the law.

    This is a mickey mouse industry, PPC's AND LEGALS alike
    Last edited by beamerguy; 18-05-2018 at 11:31 AM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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