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    • UKSBD
    • By UKSBD 15th May 18, 11:30 PM
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    how do people get away with altering appearances of number plates?
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    • 15th May 18, 11:30 PM
    how do people get away with altering appearances of number plates? 15th May 18 at 11:30 PM
    I've always thought it was illegal to change spacings on number plates, so how do people get away altering spaces and making numbers look lie letters?
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    • treboeth
    • By treboeth 15th May 18, 11:41 PM
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    • 15th May 18, 11:41 PM
    Lack of police numbers on the road.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 16th May 18, 7:40 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 7:40 AM
    Do cameras spot poorly spaced plates? If it cannot be read by the camera is the image read by a human to work out the reg number?
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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 16th May 18, 7:52 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 7:52 AM
    Well you wouldn't pass an mot with the spacing altered

    Do the police even care if the spacing is wrong but the characters are what they're supposed to be? I would have thought they'd have a bigger issue with people trying to change the appearance of characters with a black fixture for example trying to make a c into an e
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 16th May 18, 8:17 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:17 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:17 AM
    I've always thought it was illegal to change spacings on number plates
    Originally posted by UKSBD
    It is.


    so how do people get away altering spaces and making numbers look lie letters?
    They haven't been caught. Yet.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th May 18, 8:19 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:19 AM
    Lack of police numbers on the road.
    Originally posted by treboeth
    Lack of interest.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 16th May 18, 8:22 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:22 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:22 AM
    It is illegal. Years ago I knew a lad who had a very prized number plate and it stood out a mile ... but it was 2-3 years of him racing round town, getting into trouble with the police, etc, before one of them even bothered to mention it to him - because the time/paperwork and cost/time for them to take him to court for something "trivial" wasn't worth it.

    A police officer would have had to have been off the streets for 1+ hours filling in the paperwork, doing an interview, maybe another 2 hours of subsequent time discussing the case, etc etc .... and if it got to court, then a magistrate and bench and a court room and all the staff and the police officer would have needed to be available for 1 hour for the hearing, plus the police officer's additional hour to get to court/wait ... and 1 hour back at the station to get there and to file/update the records with the result.

    Illegal, yes.
    Worth it when they could be "chasing criminals" no.

    Maybe if it were added to the "list of things you can be handed an instant fine for" it'd be easier for them to just dole out a ticket and be on their way.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 16th May 18, 8:42 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:42 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 8:42 AM
    Maybe if it were added to the "list of things you can be handed an instant fine for" it'd be easier for them to just dole out a ticket and be on their way.
    Originally posted by PasturesNew
    It is, and long has been.
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 16th May 18, 9:06 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 9:06 AM
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    • 16th May 18, 9:06 AM
    It's usually something that'll get added to a list of offenses if you're stopped for anything else, but not really worth their time stopping you just for that unless it's a slow day.
    • caprikid1
    • By caprikid1 16th May 18, 9:54 AM
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    Seems to be less and less of it these days in my area, lots of plates clearly bought to be spaced / changed but no longer being displayed that way.


    Never offer an excuse to stop you IMHO.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th May 18, 9:56 AM
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    It is illegal. Years ago I knew a lad who had a very prized number plate and it stood out a mile ... but it was 2-3 years of him racing round town, getting into trouble with the police, etc, before one of them even bothered to mention it to him - because the time/paperwork and cost/time for them to take him to court for something "trivial" wasn't worth it.

    A police officer would have had to have been off the streets for 1+ hours filling in the paperwork, doing an interview, maybe another 2 hours of subsequent time discussing the case, etc etc .... and if it got to court, then a magistrate and bench and a court room and all the staff and the police officer would have needed to be available for 1 hour for the hearing, plus the police officer's additional hour to get to court/wait ... and 1 hour back at the station to get there and to file/update the records with the result.

    Illegal, yes.
    Worth it when they could be "chasing criminals" no.

    Maybe if it were added to the "list of things you can be handed an instant fine for" it'd be easier for them to just dole out a ticket and be on their way.
    Originally posted by PasturesNew
    Absolute rubbish, five minutes to stop him do some dicument checks and write a ticket.
    • LandyAndy
    • By LandyAndy 16th May 18, 10:10 AM
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    Isn't it one of those things for which you can be required to get a confirmation of rectification from an MoT testing station (at a cost to you)?
    • loskie
    • By loskie 16th May 18, 10:47 AM
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    the chavs also love removing the front plate altogether and either sticking it on the dashboard or not having it at all.
    Police here D&G seem to turn a blind eye, even had their attendance at a local "Street Kulture!" (WTF?) event pictured in the local paper next to one of said cars saying how well the event was managed.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 16th May 18, 10:49 AM
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    "You could be fined up to £1,000 and your car will fail its MOT test if you drive with incorrectly displayed number plates."

    When it says £1,000 fine, I assume that means it will go to court, is is not a fixed penalty. There should be more offenses that are FPN.

    • prowla
    • By prowla 16th May 18, 10:58 AM
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    In the great scheme of things, if people want to have vanity plates and change the spacing, then it's not going to hurt anybody.

    (I think they look stupid, though.)
    • treboeth
    • By treboeth 16th May 18, 11:07 AM
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    Prowla, vanity plates can be hard for ANPR to identify correctly, do you want criminals to have anonymity?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th May 18, 11:18 AM
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    Prowla, vanity plates can be hard for ANPR to identify correctly, do you want criminals to have anonymity?
    Originally posted by treboeth
    Itís too hard to compare them to the photo though.
    • Nasqueron
    • By Nasqueron 16th May 18, 12:18 PM
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    the chavs also love removing the front plate altogether and either sticking it on the dashboard or not having it at all.
    Police here D&G seem to turn a blind eye, even had their attendance at a local "Street Kulture!" (WTF?) event pictured in the local paper next to one of said cars saying how well the event was managed.
    Originally posted by loskie
    It's done to beat front facing ANPR particularly for speeding down roads and they can always claim it "just fell off" hence difficult to prove. I used to go past one daily on my commute whose plate was in the front windscreen for many months but unless the police photographed it daily they'd have no proof
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 16th May 18, 12:53 PM
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    "You could be fined up to £1,000 and your car will fail its MOT test if you drive with incorrectly displayed number plates."

    When it says £1,000 fine, I assume that means it will go to court, is is not a fixed penalty. There should be more offenses that are FPN.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    FPN is available. If it's refused, or if the police decide not to FPN (it's been done before, or the attitude test was massively failed) then it's court, with a poss max £1k fine.


    Ultimately, the plate itself can be withdrawn by DVLA (with zero compensation if it's a "personal" plate, no matter how high the market value), and a new age-related one will be issued.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th May 18, 1:42 PM
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    FPN is available. If it's refused, or if the police decide not to FPN (it's been done before, or the attitude test was massively failed) then it's court, with a poss max £1k fine.


    Ultimately, the plate itself can be withdrawn by DVLA (with zero compensation if it's a "personal" plate, no matter how high the market value), and a new age-related one will be issued.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Sadly now thatís not an option for the police at the roadside in some forces.
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