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    • littlerock
    • By littlerock 13th May 18, 10:39 PM
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    is 20mph speed limit in residential roads legal?
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    is 20mph speed limit in residential roads legal? 13th May 18 at 10:39 PM
    In the recent local elections, our local Lib-Dems campaigned with a promise to introduce 20mpsh speed limits on residential roads in the borough if elected, which they were. Is such a speed limit legally enforceable? and who would enforce it if they introduced it?
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    • soolin
    • By soolin 13th May 18, 10:58 PM
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    In the recent local elections, our local Lib-Dems campaigned with a promise to introduce 20mpsh speed limits on residential roads in the borough if elected, which they were. Is such a speed limit legally enforceable? and who would enforce it if they introduced it?
    Originally posted by littlerock
    Why wouldn't it be enforceable? Also it would be enforced in exactly the same manner as any other speed limit.
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    • By forgotmyname 13th May 18, 11:10 PM
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    If it goes through the correct channels and the correct signage then its legal.
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    It would, as they are in Birmingham, enforced by the police and enforced quite vigorously if Brum is anything to go by.
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    • Deastons
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    I hate people who speed. HATE. And too many people do it.

    But I do personally think that 20mph is too slow. A lot of London is 20mph and almost no-one actually does that speed. I also find that, when going that slow, it's just too easy to start looking around and allowing things to take my attention away from the road.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 14th May 18, 7:44 AM
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    I hate people who speed. HATE. And too many people do it.

    But I do personally think that 20mph is too slow. A lot of London is 20mph and almost no-one actually does that speed. I also find that, when going that slow, it's just too easy to start looking around and allowing things to take my attention away from the road.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    So you hate speeding but donít mind a but of careless.
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    So you hate speeding but donít mind a but of careless.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Where did I say that?
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    Where did I say that?
    Originally posted by Deastons
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    In #5.........
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    I think you've confused me admitting I can get distracted when driving at 20mph with me not minding that I can get distracted when driving at 20mph.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 14th May 18, 8:48 AM
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    I hate people who speed. HATE. And too many people do it.

    But I do personally think that 20mph is too slow. A lot of London is 20mph and almost no-one actually does that speed. I also find that, when going that slow, it's just too easy to start looking around and allowing things to take my attention away from the road.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    If drivers stuck to the 30 limit, 20 limits wouldn't be needed. 20 limits drag the speed down from the 40-45 most drivers drive at where possible.
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    • d0nkeyk0ng
    • By d0nkeyk0ng 14th May 18, 9:37 AM
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    I don't mind very short stretches of 20mph limits eg outside schools but I hate longer stretches. I've driven along some of these 20mph roads. Either everything is so congested that 20mph is never reached, or the roads are completely clear, in which case there is no obvious reasons for 20mph limits.



    Further, I find in my car that 20mph means 2nd gear as it's too slow for 3rd gear, increasing pollution.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 14th May 18, 9:39 AM
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    I think you've confused me admitting I can get distracted when driving at 20mph with me not minding that I can get distracted when driving at 20mph.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    You got distracted when you reversed into a hole.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 14th May 18, 10:13 AM
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    I think you've confused me admitting I can get distracted when driving at 20mph with me not minding that I can get distracted when driving at 20mph.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    If you minded at all you'd stop getting distracted surely?
    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 14th May 18, 10:54 AM
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    The problem with many 20 mph limits is that they are only needed some of the time. One example would be that limit outside or near a school. If technology was applied to the 20 mph limit so it was on during the period of school being open and not in the evenings and holidays then it would be more likely to be observed by more people. It is the inflexibility of those who install it that causes the problem IMO. Similarly having higher limits that vary according to road conditions would be sensible (they have had those in France on autoroutes for more than 20 years 82 mph in good conditions. Substantially less in heavy rain, ice or fog.)
    • ElefantEd
    • By ElefantEd 14th May 18, 11:18 AM
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    There's a 20mph limit outside our local school "when the lights flash" - which they do during term time at the start and end of the school day. Perfectly sensible, quite flexible. The limit is 30mph the rest of the time.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 14th May 18, 12:52 PM
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    I hate people who speed. HATE. And too many people do it.
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    Originally posted by Deastons
    I hate braindead morons that think speeding is automatically dangerous and that not speeding is automatically safe.

    If you looked at the official accident stats I think you'd be surprised at just how little exceeding the speed limit was a contributory factor in accidents and road deaths. In 2016, the last year there are official figures for, speeding was a contributory factor in just 5% of all accidents.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras50-contributory-factors#table-ras50008
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 14th May 18, 1:15 PM
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    There's a 20mph limit outside our local school "when the lights flash" - which they do during term time at the start and end of the school day. Perfectly sensible, quite flexible. The limit is 30mph the rest of the time.
    Originally posted by ElefantEd
    One or two like that around here. Makes more sense than just bunging a permanent 20 limit at it IMHO.
    I hate braindead morons that think speeding is automatically dangerous and that not speeding is automatically safe.

    If you looked at the official accident stats I think you'd be surprised at just how little exceeding the speed limit was a contributory factor in accidents and road deaths. In 2016, the last year there are official figures for, speeding was a contributory factor in just 5% of all accidents.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras50-contributory-factors#table-ras50008
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    The speeding motorist has been a favourite pinch since the red flag law was in force.
    It's a catch all though, and you can't argue about being over the speed limit as you could if it had to be proved that a particular speed was dangerous.
    You also have to legislate for the least competent.
    As a lot of the driving that you see would suggest that the drivers shouldn't be let loose with a hand cart, it's probably better that they have a visible limit to at least roughly stick to.

    The 40-45 mph thing was being discussed in the pub last night.
    You know the people who drive at 40 - 45 mph on main roads, but then keep going at the same speed in 30 limits. . .
    Seems to be becoming more prevalent.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 14th May 18, 1:17 PM
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    You know the people who drive at 40 - 45 mph on main roads, but then keep going at the same speed in 30 limits. . .
    Seems to be becoming more prevalent.
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    • Nasqueron
    • By Nasqueron 14th May 18, 3:03 PM
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    The problem with many 20 mph limits is that they are only needed some of the time. One example would be that limit outside or near a school. If technology was applied to the 20 mph limit so it was on during the period of school being open and not in the evenings and holidays then it would be more likely to be observed by more people. It is the inflexibility of those who install it that causes the problem IMO. Similarly having higher limits that vary according to road conditions would be sensible (they have had those in France on autoroutes for more than 20 years 82 mph in good conditions. Substantially less in heavy rain, ice or fog.)
    Originally posted by giraffe69
    Got one near me outside a school, ludicrous setting off the warning sign when driving at 30mph into the area at 9pm at night, on a Saturday, during school holidays - they have speed bumps there too.

    When I was in Australia a while ago I was told they also have variable speeds for roadworks with 2x the points for speeding if workforce are there, when no-one is there, road works vanish. Wish Britain would do this rather than waste time and money by enforcing 50mph limits with cameras all the time even when no-one is working. M5 near me is the worst, 30mph limit 2 lane each side during roadworks, you just crawl along
    • liviboy
    • By liviboy 14th May 18, 3:20 PM
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    Got one near me outside a school, ludicrous setting off the warning sign when driving at 30mph into the area at 9pm at night, on a Saturday, during school holidays - they have speed bumps there too.

    When I was in Australia a while ago I was told they also have variable speeds for roadworks with 2x the points for speeding if workforce are there, when no-one is there, road works vanish. Wish Britain would do this rather than waste time and money by enforcing 50mph limits with cameras all the time even when no-one is working. M5 near me is the worst, 30mph limit 2 lane each side during roadworks, you just crawl along
    Originally posted by Nasqueron
    It was actually the death of a friend's family member that changed the rules in the UK for roadworks. It was ultimately his death by a driver, driving through roadworks on a road he drove 4 times a day (and so was driving in "autopilot") that led to roadworks road layout changes...

    That's why in the week before work begins on especially busy roads (motorways, etc.) the cones are put down and speed restrictions introduced. It gets regular users used to the new layout and speed. It is also the reason why reduced speeds are enforced 24/7.

    Just thought I'd give you that wee snippet of info. As annoying as slowing down to 50 or 40 through roadworks can be at 2am, ultimately it is there for a reason and if one life is saved then it's well worth it.
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