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    • Clownfish87
    • By Clownfish87 12th May 18, 12:19 AM
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    Should I report neighbour for fraud?
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    • 12th May 18, 12:19 AM
    Should I report neighbour for fraud? 12th May 18 at 12:19 AM
    Neighbour is in her mid 30s, and lives with her father. She claims carers allowance for him as he has arthritis and uses a stick. Neighbour in her 30s has anxiety and sometimes gets depression, but goes out on her own and seems fine, always got her hair and make up done.

    Neighbour had PIP assessment (which she won) and both her and her father were bragging to me about the assessment, saying that she put on a big performance and could of won an oscar, she said she made herself cry and ran upstairs crying and shouting etc. Neighbour lied on forms and to the assessor and said she cant make herself food as she will walk off and forget about it, but she posts photos on facebook and tells me that shes been making biscuits/cake a roast dinner etc. They also do cash in hand work in a pub.

    Despite claiming PIP neighbour is also looking for a part time job, but surely that contradicts her claiming PIP for anxiety and depression?

    Should I report her?
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    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 12th May 18, 7:54 PM
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    I would certainly NOT report the neighbour...there is no real evidence of fraud...and more than a suggestion of wanting to stir-things-up
    Originally posted by Prinzessilein
    The OP is wanting to do the right thing, there is no harm in reporting something, so long as it is an honest report. The benefit Office will dismiss the report if it is irrelevant.

    • venison
    • By venison 12th May 18, 8:01 PM
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    No No and thrice NO
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th May 18, 8:13 PM
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    The OP is wanting to do the right thing, there is no harm in reporting something, so long as it is an honest report. The benefit Office will dismiss the report if it is irrelevant.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    Do the right thing when there's no evidence? The only thing the OP has is what the neighbour said and that's not evidence. Plenty of people claim PIP and have good days. Just because a person claims PIP doesn't mean they have to spend their life in bed.
    • loopybecs
    • By loopybecs 12th May 18, 11:07 PM
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    I have anxiety, and have had depression recently, yet always do my hair and make-up, even during the dark times. It actually makes me feel better.
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    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 13th May 18, 7:40 AM
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    How do you know the work is being done cash in hand?
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 13th May 18, 9:46 AM
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    Neighbour is in her mid 30s, and lives with her father. She claims carers allowance for him as he has arthritis and uses a stick. Neighbour in her 30s has anxiety and sometimes gets depression, but goes out on her own and seems fine, always got her hair and make up done.

    Neighbour had PIP assessment (which she won) and both her and her father were bragging to me about the assessment, saying that she put on a big performance and could of won an oscar, she said she made herself cry and ran upstairs crying and shouting etc. Neighbour lied on forms and to the assessor and said she cant make herself food as she will walk off and forget about it, but she posts photos on facebook and tells me that shes been making biscuits/cake a roast dinner etc. They also do cash in hand work in a pub.

    Despite claiming PIP neighbour is also looking for a part time job, but surely that contradicts her claiming PIP for anxiety and depression?

    Should I report her?
    Originally posted by Clownfish87

    For me there is nothing of concern about the neighbours PIP claim in either the first or third paragraphs. Indeed there is nothing to stop the neighbour working and claiming PIP. There is nothing amiss with having periods of anxiety and depression but still taking care of your appearance.
    Paragraph 2 is where all the alarm bells ring. The neighbour bragging about deceiving the assessor but nobody seems to think that's worthy of investigation. No wonder the benefits system is in crisis.
    • SingleSue
    • By SingleSue 13th May 18, 10:02 AM
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    When I had my breakdown, doing my hair and make up was a way for me to 'hide' in plain sight, a mask to hide the real me if you will as the last thing I wanted to do was to be outside and amongst people and people discovering what an absolute failure of a person I was.

    To me, it was a more acceptable alternative to the outside world than putting a bag over my head so that people couldn't see me, with make up and nicely done hair I blended in and became invisible, without it, I stuck out like a sore thumb.

    Weird logic I know but that's me all over.
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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 13th May 18, 10:14 AM
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    Paragraph 2 is where all the alarm bells ring. The neighbour bragging about deceiving the assessor but nobody seems to think that's worthy of investigation. No wonder the benefits system is in crisis.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    As I said, you need medical evidence to get PIP. It's not just how you come across at the face to face. In general, it is harder to get than DLA. And it's certainly not easy to get a home assessment

    The neighbour could be doing exactly what you are saying. Bragging. Bigging themselves up in front of others.I have heard quite a few stories about how medicals went and what happened and some have been exaggerations. I've also had a lot of (how shall we say it) interesting second hand tales about folks fiddling the benefits system. 'My neighbour knows someone who is getting PIP while still able to carry on their job as a trapeze artist" etc etc

    It's up to the OP whether or not to report. I'd be wary, myself, if it's only 'down the pub" talk. I'd also be interested in how the OP knows what was on the claim form
    • Ames
    • By Ames 13th May 18, 1:20 PM
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    You do have to 'say it a certain way to get points'. That doesn't mean making things up, it means phrasing it in the right way. It means focusing answers on the descriptors instead of vague rambling about what you find hard.

    It's about using DWP speak. Not about lying.

    I'm not saying all this means that they're not committing fraud, or that you shouldn't report them. But as I said in my first post on this thread, it could just be that you don't know the rules for claiming PIP.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • Hounded out
    • By Hounded out 13th May 18, 2:16 PM
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    I hope a neighbour reports Clownfish to every conceivable agency he (or she) could potentially be defrauding or misleading, such as say the HMRC. See how he (or she) likes it. I sense the OP may be a joker, but then many folk on here can from time to time be accused of being jokers
    • trigger fish
    • By trigger fish 13th May 18, 4:16 PM
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    How do you know the work is being done cash in hand?
    Originally posted by Darksparkle
    Because I've got the cash in my hand.
    • A Nice Englishman
    • By A Nice Englishman 13th May 18, 4:27 PM
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    It strikes me that Clownfish's neighbour could give his/her friend with MS some tips on successfully claiming PIP. Why not introduce them?
    • Nannytone
    • By Nannytone 13th May 18, 5:20 PM
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    As I said, you need medical evidence to get PIP. It's not just how you come across at the face to face. In general, it is harder to get than DLA. And it's certainly not easy to get a home assessment

    The neighbour could be doing exactly what you are saying. Bragging. Bigging themselves up in front of others.I have heard quite a few stories about how medicals went and what happened and some have been exaggerations. I've also had a lot of (how shall we say it) interesting second hand tales about folks fiddling the benefits system. 'My neighbour knows someone who is getting PIP while still able to carry on their job as a trapeze artist" etc etc

    It's up to the OP whether or not to report. I'd be wary, myself, if it's only 'down the pub" talk. I'd also be interested in how the OP knows what was on the claim form
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    I had a home assessment and I never even asked for i. It's about what suits them
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 13th May 18, 6:09 PM
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    I had a home assessment and I never even asked for i. It's about what suits them
    Originally posted by Nannytone
    But did you have solid medical evidence supporting your claim?

    They aren't going to give you a HA without reason.
    • Clownfish87
    • By Clownfish87 13th May 18, 6:51 PM
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    It strikes me that Clownfish's neighbour could give his/her friend with MS some tips on successfully claiming PIP. Why not introduce them?
    Originally posted by A Nice Englishman
    It's really not funny. Thieves who are stealing from the system when genuine people are being turned down are scum. I don't get why people are defending my neighbour either. Grinning and bragging to me like a village idiot about fooling the assessor and putting on an Oscar worthy performance (as her father described) is shameful, when my lovely friend with MS is having to fight like hell to get her PIP.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 13th May 18, 6:59 PM
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    It's really not funny. Thieves who are stealing from the system when genuine people are being turned down are scum. I don't get why people are defending my neighbour either. Grinning and bragging to me like a village idiot about fooling the assessor and putting on an Oscar worthy performance (as her father described) is shameful, when my lovely friend with MS is having to fight like hell to get her PIP.
    Originally posted by Clownfish87
    In which case, ignore the naysayers and report her. You are very clear that she is committing benefit fraud so why are you hesitating? And why ask in the first place?
    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 13th May 18, 7:03 PM
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    Not really sure why you've asked as it's obvious you want to report her so just do it. Report the cash in hand employer whilst youre at it.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 13th May 18, 7:28 PM
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    You sound very defensive, are you also committing PIP fraud? The type of people that always act so defensive around benefits suggests to me that they are also fiddling the system.
    Originally posted by Clownfish87
    And you sound like a very bitter person!
    • snoop2008
    • By snoop2008 14th May 18, 4:26 PM
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    [QUOTE=Darksparkle;74276005]You've never known someone to work that suffers from depression? Doing her hair and make up means she isn't depressed?







    A valued point indeed. OP, Many people have hidden illnesses some are more visible than others. Sometimes the expectation of thinking a person who lives and copes with depression, should look depressed, is actually in my humble opinion narrow minded.
    • diggingdude
    • By diggingdude 14th May 18, 9:08 PM
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    If you really believe she is committing fraud then yes report her. If you don't have cast iron evidence then !!!!!! off and get a life
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