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    • Clownfish87
    • By Clownfish87 12th May 18, 12:19 AM
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    Should I report neighbour for fraud?
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    • 12th May 18, 12:19 AM
    Should I report neighbour for fraud? 12th May 18 at 12:19 AM
    Neighbour is in her mid 30s, and lives with her father. She claims carers allowance for him as he has arthritis and uses a stick. Neighbour in her 30s has anxiety and sometimes gets depression, but goes out on her own and seems fine, always got her hair and make up done.

    Neighbour had PIP assessment (which she won) and both her and her father were bragging to me about the assessment, saying that she put on a big performance and could of won an oscar, she said she made herself cry and ran upstairs crying and shouting etc. Neighbour lied on forms and to the assessor and said she cant make herself food as she will walk off and forget about it, but she posts photos on facebook and tells me that shes been making biscuits/cake a roast dinner etc. They also do cash in hand work in a pub.

    Despite claiming PIP neighbour is also looking for a part time job, but surely that contradicts her claiming PIP for anxiety and depression?

    Should I report her?
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    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 12th May 18, 12:23 AM
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    • 12th May 18, 12:23 AM
    Nothing to do with you......and why cant she have a job
    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th May 18, 1:28 AM
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    PIP isn't about whether or not you can work. It's possible and legal to work full time and claim. It's quite possible that receiving PIP is what means she's now able to look for part time work.

    Being able to do something in benefit terms isn't about whether or not you can actually get it done. It has to be done safely, reliably and to an acceptable standard. It's possible that she got points for not being able to cook, but is able to bake the things she puts on facebook - she's unlikely to post that her father had to supervise her, or remind her to take them out of the oven, for instance.

    If they did lie and put on an act at the assessment then that's another matter - but to get a home assessment in the first place would require medical evidence. Although your post is confusing - does she work in the pub or is she looking for work?

    I suppose some people would go around confessing benefit fraud to random neighbours, but I doubt many would be so stupid. Not least because if they're savvy enough to be committing fraud they're not going to risk a conviction. I imagine it's far more likely that people downplay illness, and pretend things are better than they are.

    If you really think they're committing fraud then whether or not you act is up to you. But do a bit of research into benefit rules first, because it sounds like you don't know enough about it to make an informed decision about what constitutes fraud.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 12th May 18, 7:37 AM
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    No.
    PIP is not an out of work benefit.
    Working and claiming PIP is not fraud.
    Alice Holt Forest situated some 4 miles south of Farnham forms the most northerly gateway to the South Downs National Park.
    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 12th May 18, 8:49 AM
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    You've never known someone to work that suffers from depression? Doing her hair and make up means she isn't depressed?

    The only potental issue here is her claiming carers allowance and her earnings but will depend on what she earns.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 12th May 18, 10:49 AM
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    • 12th May 18, 10:49 AM
    No.
    PIP is not an out of work benefit.
    Working and claiming PIP is not fraud.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt

    Working and claiming PIP is not fraud, but lying about what you can and can't do during the assessment is. In the situation described by the OP I would contact DWP and detail the claims made to them about the fraudulent claim.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th May 18, 11:04 AM
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    No-one can answer this question.

    It's about your own moral compass and what you really know and what you, actually, don't know.

    My ex had depression and anxiety, badly, but, when she was in a good phase could go out by herself, dressed smartly, work, etc. Yet when she was very bad could do none of the above.

    PIP isn't handed out for a good "performance" at the assessment - there needs to be supporting medical evidence
    • Topcat1982
    • By Topcat1982 12th May 18, 11:30 AM
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    If they really are doing "cash in hand" work you can report them to HMRC

    Don't report her for doing her hair and make-up.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 12th May 18, 11:52 AM
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    • 12th May 18, 11:52 AM
    Neighbour had PIP assessment (which she won) and both her and her father were bragging to me about the assessment, saying that she put on a big performance and could of won an oscar, she said she made herself cry and ran upstairs crying and shouting etc.

    Neighbour lied on forms and to the assessor and said she cant make herself food as she will walk off and forget about it, but she posts photos on facebook and tells me that shes been making biscuits/cake a roast dinner etc.
    Originally posted by Clownfish87
    On the basis of the above, it sounds as if she has at least stretched the truth if not downright lied in order to get taxpayers' money.
    • paragon909
    • By paragon909 12th May 18, 11:55 AM
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    Can't stand people like this, Yes report fraud, But don't report someone because of jealousy or bitterness.

    PIP isn't means tested.

    Seems OP doesn't want people eating certain foods because they're on benefits! Everyone who passes an assessment talks about it, And of course glad they passed or got enough points. A western democracy having to have people show you have enough points to be deemed sick. Sad state of affairs right now.

    Someone with anxiety, Cooking and baking does actually help with symptoms and takes ones mind off those symptoms.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 12th May 18, 11:59 AM
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    Someone with anxiety, Cooking and baking does actually help with symptoms and takes ones mind off those symptoms.
    Originally posted by paragon909
    But if you are claiming points because you can't prepare a meal then being able to cook to ease your anxiety contradict each other - they can't both be true.
    • trigger fish
    • By trigger fish 12th May 18, 12:09 PM
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    Usual he/she might have a little bit more than me story.

    I love the way people 'know' their neighbours business.

    I can't believe that any poster is fooled by this.

    But as to money in general just don't talk about it.
    • Stop Watch
    • By Stop Watch 12th May 18, 1:02 PM
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    I would say 95% of sickness benefit claimants including MOST on this forum have stretched / bent the truth to get PIP/ESA. It just seems to be part of todays snowflake entitled culture.
    • paragon909
    • By paragon909 12th May 18, 1:09 PM
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    But if you are claiming points because you can't prepare a meal then being able to cook to ease your anxiety contradict each other - they can't both be true.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    Not really, As the point of being on these benefits is suppose to help people, And it sometimes cannot be a life time award, So sometimes people just need to do stuff outside their comfort zone.

    That's assuming they have the capability to turn a cooker on and do whatever, Am sure the assessors noticed this. Or in the evidence.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 12th May 18, 1:12 PM
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    I would say 95% of sickness benefit claimants including MOST on this forum have stretched / bent the truth to get PIP/ESA. It just seems to be part of todays snowflake entitled culture.
    Originally posted by Stop Watch
    Pick a number.....any number.....present it as fact with no supporting evidence whatsoever....
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 12th May 18, 1:25 PM
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    Can't stand people like this, Yes report fraud, But don't report someone because of jealousy or bitterness.

    Seems OP doesn't want people eating certain foods because they're on benefits! Everyone who passes an assessment talks about it, And of course glad they passed or got enough points. A western democracy having to have people show you have enough points to be deemed sick.

    Someone with anxiety, Cooking and baking does actually help with symptoms and takes ones mind off those symptoms.
    Originally posted by paragon909

    The OP has explained what they see as inconsistencies / lies between what the claimant supposedly told PIP and their own direct experience of the claimant. The OP has not said the claimant shouldn't eat certain foods, they have said that the claimant stated they were unable to cook when that is apparently untrue.


    How should entitlement to incapacity benefits be determined if not by making some form of calculation? Just believe what the claimant says? That's basically what happened with DLA and is the reason for replacing it - there was a massive level of fraudulent claim under the old system.


    I'll restate what I said before, the OP should report the potential fraud and provide as much evidence as possible. The relevant authority will make the final decision. If the claimant has made a false claim they deserve to be caught, and if they are bull****ing about what they said during interview the shock of being investigated won't do them any harm either.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th May 18, 1:37 PM
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    But if you are claiming points because you can't prepare a meal then being able to cook to ease your anxiety contradict each other - they can't both be true.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    Yes they can, as I explained above. The OP says the neighbour got points because they wander off and forget they've put something in the oven. The points this would get are for needing supervision. The claimant lives with her father and so it's entirely possible (or even probable) that she's cooking with him to supervise. Which actually confirms the points were correct.
    Last edited by Ames; 12-05-2018 at 1:41 PM.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • Prinzessilein
    • By Prinzessilein 12th May 18, 1:40 PM
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    I would certainly NOT report the neighbour...there is no real evidence of fraud...and more than a suggestion of wanting to stir-things-up

    As has been pointed out, PiP is not means tested....and you can work full time and still claim it. In fact, for a number of people, they are able to work BECASUE of Pip...it helps cover 'additional expenses'.

    As for the argument that the claimant claims points for not being able to cook, and yet clearly manages a roast or some cookies....you need to understand PiPs ...to satisfy a criteria you need to be able to do the stated task, reliably, repeatedly. safely and in a reasonable time....so the claimant would need t be able to do this for the majority of the time, and without risk to herself, and in a reasonable amount of time. (I have days when I can manage a small meal...and I have times when I cannot make myself a cuppa....like many people, my condition varies)

    The idea that if you are not committing fraud you have no reason to fear an investigation is wrong. Claiming disability benefits is stressful...and being investigated can cause real worry that your lawfully-awarded benefits will be taken from you.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th May 18, 3:39 PM
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    I would say 95% of sickness benefit claimants including MOST on this forum have stretched / bent the truth to get PIP/ESA. It just seems to be part of todays snowflake entitled culture.
    Originally posted by Stop Watch
    You must have a crystal ball hidden somewhere to say something like this. I have no idea how you can say that without knowing anything about anyone that posts here.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th May 18, 3:45 PM
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    But if you are claiming points because you can't prepare a meal then being able to cook to ease your anxiety contradict each other - they can't both be true.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    Totally disagree with this. My daughter can't prepare a meal because she's not safe holding a knife, she forgets what she's doing, and when it comes to cooking it, she wouldn't know when it's cooked, she wouldn't even know when something is hot enough to eat.

    She can do this with supervision, in fact she has a support worker that supports her to do this. She scored 4 points in that PIP descriptor. Reason being....she needs supervision to cook or prepare a simple meal.
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