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    • melc81
    • By melc81 11th May 18, 2:15 PM
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    Popla template
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    • 11th May 18, 2:15 PM
    Popla template 11th May 18 at 2:15 PM
    Hi can I get some help please.
    I received a PCN from Britannia parking. Attached was photos of my car in the dark, can only see headlights and number plate.
    I have already used this website and appealed to them using the template in the newbie thread. This was rejected and now have a POPLA number. I have spent hours looking for a template to appeal this but cannot find one that matches and not understanding the full jargon used.
    I don't want to get this wrong!!
    The carpark is used by the pub and the hospital. The 'DRIVER' was in the pub attending a family meal and has debit card proof that shows was there at the time. The signage was not near the car or visible in the dark and believed it was free after 6pm.

    thanks
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    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 11th May 18, 2:17 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 2:17 PM
    There is no "template" but if you search the forum for "Britannia Parking" or "successful POPLA Appeals" you should find some help. Also re-reading the Newbie thread might help refresh your memory.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th May 18, 2:18 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 2:18 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 2:18 PM
    You just need to adapt one that uses the new ICO POPLA ANPR appeal point, plus the usual POPLA templates you saw in post #3 of the NEWBIES thread.

    No link, go search the forum for the words in bold and find a few, you will see what we mean. Show us your draft, long POPLA appeal.
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    • mazzy49
    • By mazzy49 11th May 18, 11:27 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 11:27 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 11:27 PM
    where can I find the #3 on the newbies page? do you mean question 3
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 12th May 18, 12:00 AM
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    • 12th May 18, 12:00 AM
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    • 12th May 18, 12:00 AM
    It means post number three in the NEWBIES thread.

    Nobody said 'newbies page'.

    Every post in a thread is numbered.
    For example this post is post #5 in this thread.

    You say you have already used the NEWBIES thread, so find post #3 in it.
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    • melc81
    • By melc81 24th May 18, 10:26 PM
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    • 24th May 18, 10:26 PM
    Thanks will check this now
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 24th May 18, 10:38 PM
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    • 24th May 18, 10:38 PM
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    • 24th May 18, 10:38 PM
    Thanks will check this now
    Originally posted by melc81
    Almost two weeks have passed since the last advice, given to you by KeithP. Time is ticking by. When is your POPLA deadline? Don't miss that, or you're in for 6 years of potential hassle and uncertainty as to whether the PPC will take legal action against you.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • melc81
    • By melc81 24th May 18, 11:57 PM
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    • 24th May 18, 11:57 PM
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    • 24th May 18, 11:57 PM
    I know its the end of this month, not long I know.
    I didn't realise anyone had responded to my thread as never received any notifications. Just logged in tonight.


    I have managed to put this together after searching through thread. is this ok??


    Dear POPLA Adjudicator,



    Subject: Parking charge reference number: XXXXXXXXXX, Vehicle Registration: XXXXXXX,

    I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXXXXXX and am appealing a parking charge from National Car Parks Limited (NCP) on the following points:


    1. Failure to comply with the data protection
    2. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge.
    3. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself.
    4. No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice.
    The details on above points are as listed below:-






    • Failure to comply with the data protection 'ICO Code of Practice' applicable to ANPR (no
      information about SAR rights, no privacy statement,no evaluation to justify that 24/7 ANPR enforcement at this site is justified, fair and proportionate). A serious BPA CoP breach
      BPA!!!8217;s Code of Practice (21.4) states that:


      "It is also a condition of the Code that, if you receive and process vehicle or
      registered keeper data, you must:
      - be registered with the Information Commissioner
      - keep to the Data Protection Act
      - follow the DVLA requirements concerning the data
      - follow the guidelines from the Information Commissioner!!!8217;s Office on the use of CCTV and
      ANPR cameras, and on keeping and sharing personal data such as vehicle registration marks
      The guidelines from the Information Commissioner!!!8217;s Office that the BPA!!!8217;s Code of Practice (21.4) refers to is the CCTV Code of Practice found at:


      Link removed


      The ICO!!!8217;s CCTV Code of Practice makes the following assertions:
      "This code also covers the use of camera related surveillance equipment including:

      !!!8226;Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR)

      "the private sector is required to follow this code to meet its legal obligations under the DPA. Any organization using cameras to process personal data should follow the recommendations of this code."

      "If you are already using a surveillance system, you should regularly evaluate whether it is necessary and proportionate to continue using it."

      "You should also take into account the nature of the problem you are seeking to address; whether a surveillance system would be a justified and an effective solution, whether better solutions exist, what effect its use may have on individuals"

      "You should consider these matters objectively as part of an assessment of the scheme!!!8217;s impact on people!!!8217;s privacy. The best way to do this is to conduct a privacy impact assessment. The ICO has produced a !!!8216;Conducting privacy impact assessments code of practice!!!8217; that explains how to carry out a proper assessment."


      "If you are using or intend to use an
      ANPR system, it is important that you undertake a privacy impact assessment to justify its use and show that its introduction is proportionate and necessary."

      "Example: A car park operator is looking at whether to use ANPR to enforce
      parking restrictions. A privacy impact assessment is undertaken which identifies
      how
      ANPR will address the problem, the privacy intrusions and the ways to
      minimize these intrusions, such as information being automatically deleted when
      a car that has not contravened the restrictions leaves a car park."

      "Note:... in conducting a privacy impact assessment and an evaluation of proportionality and necessity, you will be looking at concepts that would also impact upon fairness under the first data protection principle. Private sector organisations should therefore also consider these issues.";


      "A privacy impact assessment should look at the pressing need that the surveillance system is intended to address and whether its proposed use has a lawful basis and is justified, necessary and proportionate."

      The quotations above taken directly from the ICO!!!8217;s CCTV Code of Practice state that if NCP wish to use ANPR cameras then they must undertake a privacy impact assessment to justify its use and show that its introduction is proportionate and necessary. It also states that NCP must regularly evaluate whether it is necessary and proportionate to continue using it.

      It therefore follows that I require NCP to provide proof of regular privacy
      impact assessments in order to comply with the ICO!!!8217;s CCTV Code of Practice and BPA!!!8217;s Code of Practice. I also require the outcome of said privacy impact assessments to show that its use has "a lawful basis and is justified, necessary and proportionate".


      The ICO!!!8217;s CCTV Code of Practice goes on to state:

      "5.3 Staying in Control
      Once you have followed the guidance in this code and set up the surveillance system, you need to ensure that it continues to comply with the DPA and the code!!!8217;s requirements in practice. You should:

      !!!8226;tell people how they can make a subject access request, who it should be sent to and what information needs to be supplied with their request;"

      "7.6 Privacy Notices

      It is clear that these and similar devices present more difficult challenges in relation to providing individuals with fair processing information, which is a requirement under the first principle of the DPA. For example, it will be difficult to ensure that an individual is fully informed of this information if the surveillance system is airborne, on a person or, in the case of
      ANPR, not visible at ground level or more prevalent then it may first appear.

      One of the main rights that a privacy notice helps deliver is an individual!!!8217;s right of subject access."


      NCP has not stated on their signage a Privacy Notice explaining the keepers right to a Subject Access Request (SAR). In fact, NCP has not stated a Privacy Notice or any wording even suggesting the keepers right to a SAR on any paperwork, NtK, reminder letter or rejection letter despite there being a Data Protection heading on the back of the NtK. This is a mandatory requirement of the ICO!!!8217;s CCTV Code of Practice (5.3 and 7.6) which in turn is mandatory within the BPA!!!8217;s Code of Practice and a serious omission by any data processor using ANPR, such that it makes the use of this registered keeper!!!8217;s data unlawful.

      As such, given the omissions and breaches of the ICO!!!8217;s CCTV Code of Practice, and
      in turn the BPA!!!8217;s Code of Practice that requires full ICO compliance as a matter of law.





    2. The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge

    In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person.

    Where a charge is aimed only at a driver then, of course, no other party can be told to pay. I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a valid NTK.

    As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made because the fact remains I am only the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.

    The burden of proof rests with the Operator, because they cannot use the POFA in this case, to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.

    Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

    Understanding keeper liability




    "There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

    There is no reasonable presumption in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''


    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle, where an operator is NOT attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

    This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:

    ''I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal.''




    3. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself

    There was no contract nor agreement on the 'parking charge' at all. It is submitted that the driver did not have a fair opportunity to read about any terms involving this huge charge, which is out of all proportion and not saved by the dissimilar 'ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis' case.

    In the Beavis case, which turned on specific facts relating only to the signs at that site and the unique interests and intentions of the landowners, the signs were unusually clear and not a typical example for this notorious industry. The Supreme Court were keen to point out the decision related to that car park and those facts only:

    Link removed

    In the Beavis case, the 85 charge itself was in the largest font size with a contrasting colour background and the terms were legible, fairly concise and unambiguous. There were 'large lettering' signs at the entrance and all around the car park, according to the Judges.

    Here is the 'Beavis case' sign as a comparison to the signs under dispute in this case:

    Link removed

    This case, by comparison, does not demonstrate an example of the 'large lettering' and 'prominent signage' that impressed the Supreme Court Judges and swayed them into deciding that in the specific car park in the Beavis case alone, a contract and 'agreement on the charge' existed.

    The large sign relating to 'Terms and Conditions' with important information about ANPR cameras and 'fines' being obscured by the parking charge tarrif sign as well as lamp posts and railings. The fact that this signage has to be read whist traveling into the site makes their placement completely unacceptable.
    They are unremarkable, not immediately obvious as parking terms and the wording is mostly illegible, being crowded and cluttered with a lack of white space as a background. It is indisputable that placing letters too close together in order to fit more information into a smaller space can drastically reduce the legibility of a sign, especially one which must be read.



    It is vital to observe, since 'adequate notice of the parking charge' is mandatory under the POFA Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice, these signs do not clearly mention the parking charge which is hidden behind other signs, railings and posts (and does not feature at all on some of the signs). Areas of this site are unsigned and there are no visible full terms displayed at the entrance either, so it cannot be assumed that a driver drove past and could read a legible sign, nor parked near one.

    This case is more similar to the signage in POPLA decision 5960956830 on 2.6.16, where the Assessor Rochelle Merritt found as fact that signs in a similar size font in a busy car park where other unrelated signs were far larger, was inadequate:

    ''the signage is not of a good enough size to afford motorists the chance to read and understand the terms and conditions before deciding to remain in the car park. In addition the operators signs would not be clearly visible from a parking space. The appellant has raised other grounds for appeal but I have not dealt with these as I have allowed the appeal.''

    From the evidence I have seen so far, the terms appear to be displayed inadequately, in letters no more than about half an inch high, approximately. I put the operator to strict proof as to the size of the wording on their signs and the size of lettering for the most onerous term, the parking charge itself.

    The letters seem to be no larger than .40 font size going by this guide:

    Link removed

    As further evidence that this is inadequate notice, Letter Height Visibility is discussed here:

    Link removed
    ''When designing your sign, consider how you will be using it, as well as how far away the readers you want to impact will be. For example, if you are placing a sales advertisement inside your retail store, your text only needs to be visible to the people in the store. 1-2" letters (or smaller) would work just fine. However, if you are hanging banners and want drivers on a nearby highway to be able to see them, design your letters at 3" or even larger.''

    ...and the same chart is reproduced here:

    Link removed

    ''When designing an outdoor sign for your business keep in mind the readability of the letters. Letters always look smaller when mounted high onto an outdoor wall''.

    ''...a guideline for selecting sign letters. Multiply the letter height by 10 and that is the best viewing distance in feet. Multiply the best viewing distance by 4 and that is the max viewing distance.''

    So, a letter height of just half an inch, showing the terms and the 'charge' and placed high on a wall or pole or buried in far too crowded small print, is woefully inadequate in an outdoor car park. Given that letters look smaller when high up on a wall or pole, as the angle renders the words less readable due to the perspective and height, you would have to stand right in front of it and still need a stepladder (and perhaps a torch and/or magnifying glass) to be able to read the terms.

    Under Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule, the charge (being 'out of all proportion' with expectations of drivers in this car park and which is the most onerous of terms) should have been effectively: 'in red letters with a red hand pointing to it' - i.e. VERY clear and prominent with the terms in large lettering, as was found to be the case in the car park in 'Beavis'. A reasonable interpretation of the 'red hand rule' and the 'signage visibility distance' tables above and the BPA Code of Practice, taking all information into account, would require a parking charge and the terms to be displayed far more transparently, on a lower sign and in far larger lettering, with fewer words and more 'white space' as background contrast. Indeed in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 there is a 'Requirement for transparency':

    (1) A trader must ensure that a written term of a consumer contract, or a consumer notice in writing, is transparent.
    (2) A consumer notice is transparent for the purposes of subsection (1) if it is expressed in plain and intelligible language and it is legible.

    The Beavis case signs not being similar to the signs in this appeal at all, I submit that the persuasive case law is in fact 'Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000] EWCA Civ 106' about a driver not seeing the terms and consequently, she was NOT deemed bound by them.

    This judgement is binding case law from the Court of Appeal and supports my argument, not the operator's case:

    Link removed

    This was a victory for the motorist and found that, where terms on a sign are not seen and the area is not clearly marked/signed with prominent terms, the driver has not consented to - and cannot have 'breached' - an unknown contract because there is no contract capable of being established. The driver in that case (who had not seen any signs/lines) had NOT entered into a contract. The recorder made a clear finding of fact that the plaintiff, Miss Vine, did not see a sign because the area was not clearly marked as 'private land' and the signs were obscured/not adjacent to the car and could not have been seen and read from a driver's seat before parking.







    4. No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice

    As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the land then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only).

    Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules. A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.

    Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply. Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum in small print on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement).

    Paragraph 7 of the BPA CoP defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

    7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.

    7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:

    a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined

    b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation

    c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement

    d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs

    e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement


    So, for this appeal, I put this operator to strict proof of where the car was parked and how their signs appeared on that date, at that time, from the angle of the driver's perspective. Equally, I require this operator to show how the entrance signs appear from a driver's seat, not stock examples of 'the sign' in isolation/close-up. I submit that full terms simply cannot be read from a car before parking and mere 'stock examples' of close-ups of the (alleged) signage terms will not be sufficient to disprove this.






    • melc81
    • By melc81 25th May 18, 12:01 AM
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    • 25th May 18, 12:01 AM
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    • 25th May 18, 12:01 AM
    'I am the registered keeper of vehicle XXXXXXX and am appealing a parking charge from National Car Parks Limited (NCP) on the following points:,


    need to amend this to Britannia lol..
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 26th May 18, 10:33 PM
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    1. Failure to comply with the data protection
    That heading needs expanding to match the version below it.

    You need to also remove the links that do not work any more, from the dodgy signs template (needs an update by me when I have time). I'll let you find them for yourself and remove the words about the Signs tables/eBay links you can't actually show POPLA, so no point having that little bit.
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    • melc81
    • By melc81 7th Jun 18, 6:30 PM
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    Yey !!!55357;!!!56876; I won!!
    Didn!!!8217;t amend anything on my previous post either !!!55358;!!!56611;

    Thank you for submitting your parking charge Appeal to POPLA.

    An Appeal has been opened with the reference ***************.

    Britannia Parking Group have told us they do not wish to contest the Appeal. This means that your Appeal is successful and you do not need to pay the parking charge.

    Yours sincerely

    POPLA Team
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 7th Jun 18, 6:45 PM
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    Well done!

    Now complain to your MP and Sir Greg Knight MP about this unregulated scam.

    These are some of the comments made by the MPs in Parliament concerning the unregulated parking industry (Feb 2018):

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

    ''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.


    These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

    You might want to leave negative feed back on the pub social media/tripadvisor page about the scammers who operate in the car park.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 7th Jun 18, 6:52 PM
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    Well done .

    Now, what are Britannia doing with your data? What have they used it for previously, who else have they shared it with? Anything could be happening with this very important information. Remember lots of these outfits are staffed with ex-crims and goodness only knows who now has your details.

    How about repaying them for the hassle they have given you with an even bigger dose of hassle from you? How about a SAR-bomb to give them days of head scratching and running around in circles?

    Here's a very recent SAR, via PePiPoo, to use as a template. There may be one or two things to tidy up at the margins, but basically it needs topping and tailing and sending off, and await the (imaginary) 'boom' as it metaphorically explodes on their desk.

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=114450&pid=1388235&st=300!!!en try1388235

    Scroll down to post #311
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