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    • Doneill
    • By Doneill 10th May 18, 11:57 PM
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    Joint universal credit
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    • 10th May 18, 11:57 PM
    Joint universal credit 10th May 18 at 11:57 PM
    Hi, this is my first post just looking for a little advice.
    I will soon be moving out of supported accommodation to get a place with my partner so will be moving off income support and onto universal credit.
    We will be applying for a joint claim but he is currently already on uc and may be about to face a section for missing an appointment, I was wondering if his sanction would affect the beginning of our claim/the amount we will get to start with
    Thanks in advance
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    • huckster
    • By huckster 11th May 18, 6:31 AM
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    • 11th May 18, 6:31 AM
    Make sure he has another appointment quickly, to reduce sanction amount. The sanction is a daily amount applied from the date failed to attend up to the date they are back in compliance by attending Job Centre and meeting their commitment.

    If you move in with him, yes the sanction would affect the amount of UC you will receive as a couple.

    Under UC, the benefit money is paid into one account. If you are joining his current UC claim, the money would go into his Bank Account. You might want to encourage him, to request a change of Bank details on the couple claim, so you receive the money under the couple claim in your Bank account. Given that he has been unreliable attending the Job Centre, would you trust him to pay important bills. E.g council tax, rent, gas/electric ?

    Can I suggest that you ask him to log into his Universal Credit claim while you are with him. Have a look at his UC statements to see what deductions are being made. Are there sanctions being deducted ? Are there any advance loans being repaid ? Are there any debts being repaid ?
    The comments I post are personal opinion. Always refer to official information sources before relying on internet forums. If you have a problem with any organisation, enter into their official complaints process at the earliest opportunity, as sometimes complaints have to be started within a certain time frame.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 11th May 18, 9:52 AM
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    • 11th May 18, 9:52 AM
    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/universal-credit/sanctions/if-youve-been-sanctioned/
    Alice Holt Forest situated some 4 miles south of Farnham forms the most northerly gateway to the South Downs National Park.
    • Doneill
    • By Doneill 11th May 18, 1:01 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 1:01 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 1:01 PM
    The plan is to have the joint uc going to my account anyway but the reason he missed his appointment was because I got taken to hospital, he's arranged for a new appointment but the soonest they have one isn't for a week and a half
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 11th May 18, 2:43 PM
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    The plan is to have the joint uc going to my account anyway but the reason he missed his appointment was because I got taken to hospital, he's arranged for a new appointment but the soonest they have one isn't for a week and a half
    Originally posted by Doneill
    He should challenge the sanction:
    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/universal-credit/sanctions/challenging-a-sanction/
    giving his "good reason".
    http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/ask-cpag-online-challenging-universal-credit-sanctions-1

    " The Decision Makers Guide (see para.34200 onwards) gives detailed guidance to DWP decision-makers on what could or could not constitute a good reason and it may be helpful to refer to or quote any paragraphs or examples which are favourable to your case. "
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/689961/dmgch34.pdf
    I would think this may come under the definition of a domestic emergency.

    I believe the sanction should stop when he agreed to the rescheduled meeting.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 11-05-2018 at 2:53 PM.
    Alice Holt Forest situated some 4 miles south of Farnham forms the most northerly gateway to the South Downs National Park.
    • Doneill
    • By Doneill 11th May 18, 7:32 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 7:32 PM
    What happens to individual next payments (my income support, his uc) when you send off for a joint claim? Will a payment due in a week be cancelled?
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 11th May 18, 8:13 PM
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    • 11th May 18, 8:13 PM
    What happens to individual next payments (my income support, his uc) when you send off for a joint claim? Will a payment due in a week be cancelled?
    Originally posted by Doneill
    The other reason for challenging a sanction is that they get progressively more severe.

    Difficult to answer your Q as it presumably depends on DWP processing times and schedules.
    Generally when a UC claim is lodged the legacy benefits (Income Support) cease.
    Alice Holt Forest situated some 4 miles south of Farnham forms the most northerly gateway to the South Downs National Park.
    • huckster
    • By huckster 11th May 18, 11:38 PM
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    Suggest they go to the Job Centre to sort out an earlier appointment, as the Job Centres have more availability than can be seen by service centres booking the appointments.
    The comments I post are personal opinion. Always refer to official information sources before relying on internet forums. If you have a problem with any organisation, enter into their official complaints process at the earliest opportunity, as sometimes complaints have to be started within a certain time frame.
    • Catnip63
    • By Catnip63 13th May 18, 12:45 PM
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    • 13th May 18, 12:45 PM
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    • 13th May 18, 12:45 PM
    The compliance would be when he made contact to re engage not the actual date of interview, so won't be penalised by how busy the job centre is.
    • huckster
    • By huckster 13th May 18, 5:22 PM
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    The compliance would be when he made contact to re engage not the actual date of interview, so won't be penalised by how busy the job centre is.
    Originally posted by Catnip63
    Yes, but was thinking that they might be more likely to attend an earlier appointment and get back on track.
    The comments I post are personal opinion. Always refer to official information sources before relying on internet forums. If you have a problem with any organisation, enter into their official complaints process at the earliest opportunity, as sometimes complaints have to be started within a certain time frame.
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