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    • ninjapark
    • By ninjapark 10th May 18, 12:17 AM
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    IAS disregards evidence and rules in favour of member
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    • 10th May 18, 12:17 AM
    IAS disregards evidence and rules in favour of member 10th May 18 at 12:17 AM
    So here is the issue. Got a PCN for parking infront my home. But the PCN wrongly stated the address. The PCN was issued by Parking & Property Management (PPM) on private land. But the location given is wrong and council property. Strangely enough, the documents submitted by PPM did not provide proof that they had authority to issue tickets on council property or private land as required by Section B.1.1 of the IPC Code. The adjudicator stated "While noting the Appellant's comments I am satisfied on the evidence provided that the Operator has the authority to issue and enforce PCNs at this site." None was provided by the operator for the site nor the council property it claimed I was parked on which was factually false.

    Question here is what is the relevance of stating the location of the vehicle in the PCN if the adjuciator ignores it completely. It appears fraudulent that the operatory (PPM) issues PCN for council property despite proof of parking was different and the IAS rules in their favour. Who else has faced same? Is there anyway to have the IAS censure its adjudicators for decisions that claim evidence was viewed that was not submitted by the operator. Do I initiate a court challenge against PPM?
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 10th May 18, 12:31 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 12:31 AM
    You ask "Who else has faced same? "

    Many have.

    You need to read the NEWBIES FAQ thread to better understand the game you are caught up in.

    In there you will see that the general advice on here is to never bother with the second level appeal to the IAS, simply because it is extremely unlikely that you will win.

    You have no chance of getting them to change their mind.

    You now need to accept that you will receive a barrage of debt collector's letters and post #4 of that NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread gives good guidance on how to deal with them.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th May 18, 12:56 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 12:56 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 12:56 AM
    If you'd come here first and read our consistent advice, you wouldn't have bothered with the IAS. No chance! Read the NEWBIES thread post #3 all about that kangaroo court, and post #4 about ignoring debt collection letters for now.

    You will need to come back if/when Gladstones solicitors (who are connected to the IPC and IAS...read all about it by Googling!) start a court claim.

    These cases are not won at IAS, they are won by defending a small claim. NOT a big deal, no risk, nothing scary, no huge costs, no CCJ, and we see people win almost every case.

    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • waamo
    • By waamo 10th May 18, 1:03 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:03 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:03 AM
    If you had Jesus, the Pope and Mother Theresa as witnesses they would say they weren't independent so couldn't be relied on.

    Ignore the verdict.
    This space for hire.
    • ninjapark
    • By ninjapark 10th May 18, 1:14 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:14 AM
    Don't want to wait
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    • 10th May 18, 1:14 AM
    I don't want to wait for them to make a claim against me.. I want to go after them first. Is that possible?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 10th May 18, 1:17 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:17 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:17 AM
    Of course it is. Sue who you like.

    Who do you want to 'go after'?
    PPM or IPC?

    What are you going to claim?
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th May 18, 1:24 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:24 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 1:24 AM
    I don't want to wait for them to make a claim against me.. I want to go after them first. Is that possible?
    Originally posted by ninjapark
    Only if you had a cause of action. Can't see that you do, but all these drivel cases are defendable.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 10th May 18, 8:20 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:20 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:20 AM
    You will know by now that the IPC/IAS is just a major
    scam invented by the incompetent Gladstones Solicitors

    IPC members are scammers in their own right and that
    is why they belong to this SCAM CLUB

    Any rejection from the IPC kangaroo court can be taken
    with a pinch of salt, A real judge is your answer and that
    is where Gladstones get zapped because they are so
    incompetent ..... all with the help of this forum

    Chill and wait
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • LadyDee
    • By LadyDee 10th May 18, 8:31 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:31 AM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:31 AM
    Why on earth doesn't the Law Society close down these cowboys and rescind their licence?
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 10th May 18, 8:37 AM
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    In the mean time, get it in writing from the council that the place parked is council property and that they do not have permission/a contract to ""manage""parking where you parked.
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 10th May 18, 9:41 AM
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    Why on earth doesn't the Law Society close down these cowboys and rescind their licence?
    Originally posted by LadyDee
    Gladstones have been reported to the SRA by many, one
    being a Scottish MP

    The Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) claim they are
    Protecting consumers of legal services


    I think most on here have a better chance of seeing
    a flying pig than action by the SRA

    There is good reason to ask the government to set up
    a new Regulator to regulate the Solicitors Regulation Authority
    Last edited by beamerguy; 10-05-2018 at 9:46 AM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 10th May 18, 12:09 PM
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    this should give you just a little peek into the murky world of parking on private land ....

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

    ''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

    These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.


    Ralph
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 10th May 18, 12:35 PM
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    Why on earth doesn't the Law Society close down these cowboys and rescind their licence?
    Originally posted by LadyDee
    Good question. Also why haven't the Chartered Trading Standards Institute who are responsible for auditing and approving Alternative Dispute Resolution bodies such as the IAS rescinded their approval?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 10th May 18, 1:16 PM
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    Good question. Also why haven't the Chartered Trading Standards Institute who are responsible for auditing and approving Alternative Dispute Resolution bodies such as the IAS rescinded their approval?
    Originally posted by Johno100
    Why does any of this murky skimdustry get away with of its dodgy activities?
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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