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    • just-a-driver
    • By just-a-driver 8th May 18, 6:13 PM
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    Vehicle Control Services
    • #1
    • 8th May 18, 6:13 PM
    Vehicle Control Services 8th May 18 at 6:13 PM
    Afternoon PCN Experts.

    Looking for some advice, I have read the newbie section, but wanted further clarification on a few things as I am far from being a legal expert.

    Last month, went to a South Yorkshire based airport, was meeting a friend nearby, but hadn't been to his new place before so pulled up to use my phone and message him. I did this outside the airport on what I thought was public highway. I didn't see any signs and the road was a dead end.

    Today (1 month exactly after "contravention date") I received a PCN from Vehicle Control Services Ltd. but it states "Notice To Driver" instead of NTK - does this make any difference whatsoever? i.e. by responding am I confirming that I was indeed the driver?

    The car is leased, however I received the letter directly and nothing from the finance company, do I still need to clarify that all correspondence comes to my address?

    VCS are IPC members. It says wait for a NTK under the help section...is this different to the NTD that they send later, or is the NTD my assumed NTK?

    If so do I respond immediately using the following template?

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Re PCN number:

    I appeal and dispute your purported 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny liability and consider the PCN an absolute disgrace and pure intimidation.

    There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn, nor was there any agreed contract. Your signage terms fail the test of 'large lettering' and prominence of the parking charge, as established in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis, which is fully distinguished.

    Should you fail to cancel this PCN, I require the following information with your rejection letter:

    1. Please provide dated photos of the signs on site, which you contend formed a contract.
    2. Please provide all images taken of this vehicle on that day, at the material location.

    I will use POPLA (if offered) not the 'IAS' which has been exposed in Parliament as compromised by a conflict of interests with the IPC. The BPA were also heavily criticised and both appeals systems were condemned - hardly surprising for an industry where so-called AOS members admitted in recent years to letting victims 'futilely go through the motions' of appeal and saying on camera 'we make it up sometimes' (BBC Watchdog). Firms of your ilk were unanimously criticised in 2018 as operating an 'outrageous scam' (Hansard 2.2.18).

    I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and will also be making a formal complaint about your predatory and aggressive conduct to your client landowner, as well as complaining in writing to my MP and ensuring that they are appraised of the debate where Parliament agreed by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists...should not have to put up with this''.

    Yours faithfully,
    Finally, has anyone else had a similar issue with this company? What is the likely outcome? What are the next steps should they not cancel?

    TIA,

    Driver.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 8th May 18, 6:19 PM
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    • #2
    • 8th May 18, 6:19 PM
    • #2
    • 8th May 18, 6:19 PM
    Today (1 month exactly after "contravention date") I received a PCN from Vehicle Control Services Ltd. but it states "Notice To Driver" instead of NTK - does this make any difference whatsoever? i.e. by responding am I confirming that I was indeed the driver?

    The car is leased, however I received the letter directly and nothing from the finance company, do I still need to clarify that all correspondence comes to my address?
    They have got your data from the lease company who have named you as the lessee/hirer, and VCS have run with that and assumed you were the driver, and hope you will confirm that with a weak appeal!

    Use the other template, the one by Edna Basher, lower down the NEWBIES thread first post in the section about leased/company cars.

    Edit your post above and get rid of your FINAL WORD!! EEK!!!

    No saying who the driver was here! I would also change your username - ask MSE to do that!

    has anyone else had a similar issue with this company?
    All the time, loads of threads, search this sub-forum (NOT the whole of MSE) for VCS Airport as keywords.

    What is the likely outcome?
    They will get BW Legal to sue you, and you will win. Not joking, read some threads.

    • just-a-driver
    • By just-a-driver 8th May 18, 6:21 PM
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    • #3
    • 8th May 18, 6:21 PM
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    • 8th May 18, 6:21 PM
    Thanks for the quick reply and advice Coupon-mad. I'll do a little more reading!
    • Redx
    • By Redx 8th May 18, 6:53 PM
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    • #4
    • 8th May 18, 6:53 PM
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    • 8th May 18, 6:53 PM
    RHA hasnt come up on here recently but has done in the past and parking prankster has blogged about it , same as JLA where VCS are also an infestation, which gets more press but same scenario

    so looking at JLA threads yields more advice

    there are also several long term threads on here and on pepipoo forums about JLA, so more grist for the mill
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 8th May 18, 6:54 PM
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    • #5
    • 8th May 18, 6:54 PM
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    • 8th May 18, 6:54 PM
    Thanks for the quick reply and advice Coupon-mad. I'll do a little more reading!
    Originally posted by just-a-driver
    A MUST FOR READING ....

    VCS/EXCEL are one of the same, top of the
    scammers list.
    It's BWLegal you need to understand and in general
    the mess they make in court
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5672664&highlight=bwlegal
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • just-a-driver
    • By just-a-driver 9th May 18, 11:03 AM
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    • #6
    • 9th May 18, 11:03 AM
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    • 9th May 18, 11:03 AM
    Hi guys,

    Ive done some reading. If I could be sure this wouldn't get to court, I think I'd argue the toss, but I run my own business and I can't be affording time out for court cases. For the sake of 60 I think I'm just going to reluctantly pay it and complain.

    Thanks for your help and advice.

    JAD
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 9th May 18, 12:03 PM
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    • #7
    • 9th May 18, 12:03 PM
    • #7
    • 9th May 18, 12:03 PM
    Hi guys,

    Ive done some reading. If I could be sure this wouldn't get to court, I think I'd argue the toss, but I run my own business and I can't be affording time out for court cases. For the sake of 60 I think I'm just going to reluctantly pay it and complain.

    Thanks for your help and advice.

    JAD
    Originally posted by just-a-driver
    With respect .... more fool you if you pay on the back
    of a stupid debt collector letter.

    That extra 60 ..... you never owed and is not owed.
    Debt collectors love people like you, easy walk over to
    boost their scammers profits.

    It might never go to court and if it gets that far, this forum
    will assist.

    Please don't support debt collector scammers, your
    contribution only helps them to attack the elderly
    and young mums etc etc ..... do you want that ?

    Especially as these debt collectors talk out of a hole
    where the sun don't shine and are sewer life

    PS the only person you can complain to is yourself
    for getting behind the scam
    Last edited by beamerguy; 09-05-2018 at 12:14 PM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Redx
    • By Redx 9th May 18, 4:17 PM
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    • #8
    • 9th May 18, 4:17 PM
    • #8
    • 9th May 18, 4:17 PM
    Hi guys,

    Ive done some reading. If I could be sure this wouldn't get to court, I think I'd argue the toss, but I run my own business and I can't be affording time out for court cases. For the sake of 60 I think I'm just going to reluctantly pay it and complain.

    Thanks for your help and advice.

    JAD
    Originally posted by just-a-driver

    the AIRPORT would have to take this to magistrates court within 6 months , this has never happened

    VCS would have to try a court claim about a parking ticket where bylaws apply , in civil court (the wrong court) within 6 years

    we do not see any evidence of them doing this for either JLA or RHA because it could ruin their sc@m issuing private charges on bylaws land where a penalty should be issued by the AIRPORT

    you are paying sc@mmers for sc@mming

    THERE IS LITTLE OR NO CHANCE OF THE AIRPORT TAKING THIS TO A MAGISTRATES COURT WITHIN 6 MONTHS

    doesnt happen for train stations or ports either , due to bylaws applying
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • just-a-driver
    • By just-a-driver 9th May 18, 4:55 PM
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    • #9
    • 9th May 18, 4:55 PM
    • #9
    • 9th May 18, 4:55 PM
    Whilst I hear what you guys are saying (and believe me I really don't want to fund/pay for these scummy people) the risk associated with having to attend court, potential negative impact of credit score should I make a mistake etc.

    The actual costs vs risk/time are what concerns me. Not taken any action yet, so i'll give it some more thought.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 9th May 18, 4:59 PM
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    no impact on any credit score as long as any judgment is paid within one month

    as this is a bylaws issue, the chances of it going to a civil court are almost zero

    the chances of the AIRPORT (not VCS) going to civil court (wrong jurisdiction) is almost zero

    if you are going to think it over, check the facts, do not assume

    its people who ignore a CCJ by a judge for more than one month whose credit rating is affected

    worst case scenario , if you lost in court, you pay up on your way out or within 4 weeks , IN FULL (as Martin Lewis often says)
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 9th May 18, 5:02 PM
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    you really need to do some more reading

    " potential negative impact of credit score should I make a mistake"

    you would have to make several mistakes and be foolishly incompetent to do this ...

    refuse to go to court , go to court and loose , .....and ... and ...then

    refuse to pay ..... for any impact on your credit rating !

    Ralph
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