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    • ginashamz
    • By ginashamz 6th May 18, 9:37 PM
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    failed engine
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    failed engine 6th May 18 at 9:37 PM
    hi, i have a 2006 mazda rx8 pz and the engine has recently failed. My local garage tells me the engine needs a rebuild and the apex seals needs replacing, totalling around £1800. I have owned the car for the past 7 years and it has never failed on me, i have always maintained it the way it needs to. i was abroad for the past 4 months and i stupidly let the misses drive it and told her very clearly to top up the oil once a week and long story short but she didn't do this and the engine went kaput. with exception to the p*ss poor mpg i really like this car but wondering if spending nearly £2k is worth it or should I scrap it and buy another rx8?
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    • wgl2014
    • By wgl2014 6th May 18, 9:44 PM
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    Problem is if you buy a different car you could end up with the same engine issues. At least with a rebuild you know it's good.
    • bobbymotors
    • By bobbymotors 6th May 18, 10:32 PM
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    • 6th May 18, 10:32 PM
    Get a new car / rebuild
    And a new missus that has some sort of IQ!
    Last edited by bobbymotors; 06-05-2018 at 10:38 PM.
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 6th May 18, 10:35 PM
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    • 6th May 18, 10:35 PM
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    • 6th May 18, 10:35 PM
    So your choices are;
    1. For only £2k you could get an excellent well maintained s/h 2006 mazda rx8 pz that you really like, or
    2. Spend at least that much and probably 50%-100% more to get one you have no idea about its history and might go kaput the next week?
    • ginashamz
    • By ginashamz 7th May 18, 2:46 AM
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    • 7th May 18, 2:46 AM
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    • 7th May 18, 2:46 AM
    sorry should have really thought this through before posting up this question. In hindsight, it makes absolutely no sense in buying another rx8 not knowing their service history. Just wondering whether i should spend the £1800 plus vat to fix the engine or just scrap it completely and buy another car? i have had the rx8 for a while now and even though i had no plan to replace it with another one this could be an opportunity for me to explore another car.
    i don't have a particular budget in mind, it entirely depends on the car but for the right car, i willing to spend up to £30k. was thinking about either a new subaru brz, mazda mx5 or the lotus evora.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 7th May 18, 3:51 AM
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    Rebuild the engine. It would have needed it around 70,000-80,000 miles anyway as the tips of the rotors wear. If the vehicle is otherwise in good condition don't go buy another RX8 because without proof its had a recent rebuild it probably isn't going to be too far from needing one.

    In regards to buying something else I think spending money on another car, especially a much newer one, to avoid a repair bill is silly and most certainly isn't money saving. The amount of money you'll lose just in depreciation on any of those cars you've mentioned in the first year would make that £1800+VAT repair bill look like the bargain of the century in comparison. By all means buy something else if you want to but don't kid yourself you're doing it to save money because you aren't.
    • John-K
    • By John-K 7th May 18, 8:13 AM
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    Is there a particular reason you want to stick with an R8 over other sports coupes?

    They are nice cars, but you could use this as an opportunity to try something different. In y view the engine is an interesting design, but not good enough to overlook more conventional engines in other cars.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 7th May 18, 11:50 AM
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    Is there a particular reason you want to stick with an R8 over other sports coupes?

    They are nice cars, but you could use this as an opportunity to try something different. In y view the engine is an interesting design, but not good enough to overlook more conventional engines in other cars.
    Originally posted by John-K
    Such as which cars?
    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 7th May 18, 12:25 PM
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    • 7th May 18, 12:25 PM
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    • 7th May 18, 12:25 PM
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-RX8-231-Refurbished-13B-MSP-Engine-Including-Fitting/273188201939?hash=item3f9b4925d3:g:0SAAAOSwjVVV5Fc-

    or

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ENGINE-Mazda-RX8-2007-192-Bhp-13B-ONLY-67-000-MILES/222835460264?hash=item33e20748a8:g:NwEAAOSwYDZagWl f

    I know nothing about either and make no recommendation but there are some cheaper options than £1800.

    I sympathise about the misses/oil; I don't know why but the two seem to be mutually exclusive in my experience also. However boiling up the car and blowing the head gasket are definitely mutually inclusive where wife's are concerned.
    • Debbie Savard
    • By Debbie Savard 7th May 18, 12:39 PM
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    The dilemma you'll have is when the next bill arrives for new brake pipes, corroded fuel lines, rusted sills etc. on a 12yo car

    Having spend £1,800 on the rebuild, you'll be thinking i've sunk all that money into it, so I'd best fork out another £500 etc. When do you stop?

    As it's done you well for 7 years, I'd say you've had your money's worth and move on.

    >but for the right car, i willing to spend up to £30k.<

    PLenty of options -

    Porsche Cayman
    Audi A5 Quatro Black Edition
    Toyota GT86
    BMW Z4M coupe
    Lexux RC200t
    Last edited by Debbie Savard; 07-05-2018 at 12:54 PM.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 7th May 18, 1:23 PM
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    The dilemma you'll have is when the next bill arrives for new brake pipes, corroded fuel lines, rusted sills etc. on a 12yo car
    Originally posted by Debbie Savard
    Well my MX5 is 13 years old with no sign of needing any of those.

    Having spend £1,800 on the rebuild, you'll be thinking i've sunk all that money into it, so I'd best fork out another £500 etc. When do you stop?
    From a mathematical and money saving point of view, NEVER. It is NEVER cheaper to replace with a new/newish car than to repair the one you have. You could replace the RX8s engine, suspension, gearbox, steering, brakes for less than the first year's depreciation on most new cars.
    PLenty of options -

    Porsche Cayman
    Audi A5 Quatro Black Edition
    Toyota GT86
    BMW Z4M coupe
    Lexux RC200t
    All of which will depreciate far more in the first year of ownership than the cost of repairing every single thing wrong on their RX8 in one go.
    • ginashamz
    • By ginashamz 7th May 18, 7:01 PM
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    Hi the older gen Porsche Cayman is something I would be interested in. Not so sure about the Lexus rc and the Audi a5, looking for more of a drivers car. As for depreciation, I would be looking for a used car not brand new. So for cars like the Cayman, gt86, 370z their depreciation would have taken a hit already. The Bmw m2 also catches my eye but it's slightly above my budget but I suspect it'll hold it value quite well over the coming years
    • John-K
    • By John-K 7th May 18, 7:21 PM
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    Such as which cars?
    Originally posted by DUTR
    Exige, Cayman, M3, S2000 etc.

    Or if you want to go older, Celica, Supra, MR2, and thatís just from Toyota.

    Unless the engine is the main reason to buy there are a fair few other similar cars around.
    • ginashamz
    • By ginashamz 7th May 18, 10:10 PM
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    Having had a good think my heart is set on experiencing another car. The Cayman interests me with its well balanced chassis and boxer engine, seems what the gt86 should be if it had more power. S2000 and mx5 are great cars but looking for something with both low end and top end power, I miss that coming from the straight 6 m3 to the rx8. Perhaps a 370z nismo? So looks like it's between a 1st gen Cayman or a 370z? Any thoughts?
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 7th May 18, 11:04 PM
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    Having had a good think my heart is set on experiencing another car. The Cayman interests me with its well balanced chassis and boxer engine, seems what the gt86 should be if it had more power. S2000 and mx5 are great cars but looking for something with both low end and top end power, I miss that coming from the straight 6 m3 to the rx8. Perhaps a 370z nismo? So looks like it's between a 1st gen Cayman or a 370z? Any thoughts?
    Originally posted by ginashamz
    As you've just had one engine fail, be aware that the Cayman S has a reputation for 'bore score' which will require a rebuild. Be very careful if buying privately as they might just be moving on a car that has started to use oil which is one sign, others are sooty exhaust and ticking engine in the later stages.

    On early cars there is also the IMS issue which can scrap the engine if it fails.
    • Nodding Donkey
    • By Nodding Donkey 8th May 18, 2:05 AM
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    If you are getting it rebuilt I can recommend a couple of specialists depending where in the country you are. It's not a job for just any garage.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 8th May 18, 9:39 AM
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    If you are getting it rebuilt I can recommend a couple of specialists depending where in the country you are. It's not a job for just any garage.
    Originally posted by Nodding Donkey
    +1

    I'd be using a recommended RX8 specialist.

    Personally.... i'd get the work done and drive on at it a couple of years at least - you get some value for your spend and you've still something to sell at the end of it and recoup some of your spend anyway (bearing in mind the car is currently close to worthless).

    If you scrap it now, thats just another RX8 gone which would be a shame as theres so few left.
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    • LandyAndy
    • By LandyAndy 8th May 18, 12:21 PM
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    I had a PZ. It was an excellent car. I would get yours fixed. An engine rebuild at some point is, to a great extent, factored in to long term RX-8 ownership.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 8th May 18, 1:05 PM
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    Love the RX8.
    The PZ is a worthwhile special edition with nice suspension tweaks, that I think were carried over to the facelift (R3) RX8. So if you're going to replace your car like for like, you're limited to these rare ones.
    RX8 values have fallen through the floor due to the engine issues - you don't know who has looked after it, or not, so the advice would be to buy your super cheap car, and budget that £1800-£2000 for the rebuild, leaving you with a really nice sports car for £4,000-£5,000.

    So my advice is - get the engine rebuilt. Check the RX8 forum for a reputable rebuilder local to you.

    i don't have a particular budget in mind, it entirely depends on the car but for the right car, i willing to spend up to £30k. was thinking about either a new subaru brz, mazda mx5 or the lotus evora.
    None of those will rev like an RX8. Subaru/Toyota is low on power/grip and not that nice an interior. And will cost you more.
    Mazda MX-5 - I like them, but they're more common, and less practical, and depending on the age you buy, will cost more/.
    Lotus Evora - you're jumping up several categories and budgets here!
    370Z - will cost more money, I'm not a big fan of the interior.

    I wrote my RX8 off in a really pathetic way, and got £4,000 for it - I was glad of this as values were in free fall, but they've stopped. Any that have survived, are being looked after. There are far fewer for sale now, and it's got 'future classic' written all over it IMO. I won't go so far as to call it an investment though...

    I'm in a 350Z now by the way. I miss the revs!

    However boiling up the car and blowing the head gasket are definitely mutually inclusive where wife's are concerned.
    No head gasket on an RX8 so you're safe there!

    PLenty of options -

    Porsche Cayman
    Audi A5 Quatro Black Edition
    Toyota GT86
    BMW Z4M coupe
    Lexux RC200t
    I don't understand - you've spent money repairing your car, something else will go wrong, so buy another second hand car from this list - are these cars indestructible or something?!
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