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    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 4th May 18, 8:22 PM
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    • 4th May 18, 8:22 PM
    Opinions on this PV 4th May 18 at 8:22 PM
    12 black Panels of 300w each 3.6kw

    Solaredge (i have some shading)

    iBoost


    Total 7k fitted
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    • Merlin139
    • By Merlin139 4th May 18, 9:09 PM
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    Too expensive!

    I paid under 6K for 3.975 kWh Solar Edge System with Iboost May 2014

    Did they give a breakdown of where the cost comes from?
    Last edited by Merlin139; 04-05-2018 at 9:16 PM.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 5th May 18, 8:31 AM
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    12 black Panels of 300w each 3.6kw

    Solaredge (i have some shading)

    iBoost


    Total 7k fitted
    Originally posted by hawkwinddotcom
    Hiya, are you space limited to 12 panels, can you squeeze any more on the roof, or another roof?

    Also, might be worth asking for a quote with 280Wp to 290Wp panels as the 300Wp panels may be quite a bit more expensive. But saying that perhaps 300Wp are now the new 280Wp, but worth checking out.

    Edit - Sorry, let me explain that better, if the 300Wp panels are approx 1.07x (300/280) more expensive than a 280Wp panel, then that's fine, but if there's a big price jump, say 1.3x more, then perhaps not worth the extra. M.
    Last edited by Martyn1981; 05-05-2018 at 8:33 AM. Reason: Added an edit
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
    • tunnel
    • By tunnel 5th May 18, 8:56 AM
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    • 5th May 18, 8:56 AM
    I'll third it....TOO EXPENSIVE

    Bit of advice

    Get more quotes if you're serious, there's plenty on here willing to offer advice so once you have more quotes....stick them on here and they'll get picked over.

    Don't be afraid to ask questions, there's no such thing as a daft question on here as we've ALL been there.
    2 kWp SEbE , 2kWp SSW & 2.5kWp NWbW.....in sunny North Derbyshire
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 5th May 18, 10:30 AM
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    • 5th May 18, 10:30 AM
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SnMvNu7xwfI4OIa78aPONnQYKw6NML3w

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=19LrqkjMIrqM9ADRGnugJigrivGZY5e66

    Hopefully thats pix of my roof. Edit cant see the pix myself

    I have had 2 other quotes and they are around the same price. Don't think there is anything special about my roof lol.
    Last edited by hawkwinddotcom; 05-05-2018 at 11:54 AM.
    • Crowmann
    • By Crowmann 5th May 18, 10:32 AM
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    • 5th May 18, 10:32 AM
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    OP - what roof covering have you?

    Again the armchair estimators on here continue to think solar prices are falling and will keep on falling.

    In truth the competition for business has shrunk dramatically and component costs have stagnated whilst all other costs have risen.

    On a slate roof your quote looks OK as a starting point for some negotiation (slate roofs typically add 750 to the install costs), if interlocking concrete I would suggest a target price of 6000.

    Below this I belive you will be employing the itinerant cowboy installers that plague this industry.
    Last edited by Crowmann; 05-05-2018 at 10:36 AM.
    16 265w panels South facing, 45 degrees, West Norfolk.
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 5th May 18, 10:33 AM
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    OP - what roof covering have you?

    Again the armchair estimators on here continue to think solar prices are falling and will keep on falling.

    In truth the competition for business has shrunk dramatically and component costs have stagnated whilst all other costs have risen.

    On a slate roof your quote looks OK as a starting point for some negotiation (slate roofs typically add 750 to the install costs), if interlocking concrete I would suggest a target price of 5500.

    Below this I belive you will be employing the itinerant cowboy installers that plague this industry.
    Originally posted by Crowmann
    Interlinking concrete
    • Crowmann
    • By Crowmann 5th May 18, 10:46 AM
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    Then 6250 would be a price that I would expect for the system. I am assuming it will need scaffold and not easy deck and that it will be carried out by competent persons - roofers that understand the MCS installation rules and qualified electricians.

    Good luck - suggest you look up the MCS installation guidelines. Most post installation issues arise from chafing cables, poor connections and inadequate fixings. As you may have read warranties around install's are problematic and repair costs via third parties expensive.
    16 265w panels South facing, 45 degrees, West Norfolk.
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 5th May 18, 12:03 PM
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    Then 6250 would be a price that I would expect for the system. I am assuming it will need scaffold and not easy deck and that it will be carried out by competent persons - roofers that understand the MCS installation rules and qualified electricians.

    Good luck - suggest you look up the MCS installation guidelines. Most post installation issues arise from chafing cables, poor connections and inadequate fixings. As you may have read warranties around install's are problematic and repair costs via third parties expensive.
    Originally posted by Crowmann
    Scaffold and competent persons. They seem a good company and not cowboys, recommended to me. Just the price was a bit ouch
    • tunnel
    • By tunnel 5th May 18, 1:36 PM
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    Again the armchair estimators on here continue to think solar prices are falling and will keep on falling.
    Originally posted by Crowmann
    Er....no, i don't think prices continue to fall but i do keep my finger on the pulse when it comes to prices. For instance if you look at this
    Now that's for a 4.13Kw system fully fitted, then consider the OP stated that their system quote was for 12 x 300 panels....so less kit to buy and install.

    Personally i'd be looking at between 4.5k and 5.5k for the system quoted for depending on which panels were offered(OP doesn't say)
    An iboost comes in around 200-250(retail) and as the sparky is already there i'd expect that to be included in the price.
    2 kWp SEbE , 2kWp SSW & 2.5kWp NWbW.....in sunny North Derbyshire
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 5th May 18, 2:03 PM
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    I believe they are black perlight plus+ series 4th generation.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 5th May 18, 4:54 PM
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    OP - what roof covering have you?

    Again the armchair estimators on here continue to think solar prices are falling and will keep on falling.

    In truth the competition for business has shrunk dramatically and component costs have stagnated whilst all other costs have risen.

    On a slate roof your quote looks OK as a starting point for some negotiation (slate roofs typically add 750 to the install costs), if interlocking concrete I would suggest a target price of 6000.

    Below this I belive you will be employing the itinerant cowboy installers that plague this industry.
    Originally posted by Crowmann
    You keep posting these claims, yet each time folk come along with much better prices than you say. From April 2018:

    After almost getting conned out of 9500, I have managed to find a different company which will install the following for 4500.

    14 Eternity 8.33 Solar Panel Modules [Later confirmed as 4kWp]
    Solax Inverter X1
    Originally posted by Solarshel
    Prices don't need to keep falling, we were seeing around 5k for a 4kWp system back in late 2015 and early 2016. On here we've even seen less than 1k per kWp for larger systems such as 7kWp.

    Component costs haven't stagnated, PV prices have continued to fall, or we've seen higher efficiency panels at the same /Wp, thus allowing larger installs on the same space without a high price penalty. The MIP (minimum import price) imposed by the EU to protect German panel manufacturers, now means that prices here are about 30% more than in Asia and Australia.

    Anyone fancy 5kWp for 3.4k?

    A fully installed 5KW system costs an average of $5,930 in Australia, according to the energy broker Solarchoice.net.au. Its records show that the price has roughly halved in many capital cities since 2012.
    Edit - Regarding that last statement regarding Australia "the price has roughly halved in many capital cities since 2012." please note that in very early 2012 UK prices were approx 9k for 4kWp, about 8k in Mch 2012, and about 7k by mid summer 2012. So a halving would give us approx 4k per 4kWp. M.
    Last edited by Martyn1981; 05-05-2018 at 5:48 PM. Reason: Added an edit
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 10th May 18, 4:34 PM
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    Oops - I've just checked the source site referenced in the Mch article and the price for 5kWp systems isn't AUS$5,930 it's actually been updated for May 2018, and is ....... drum roll ...... AUS$5,570, so approx 3,119.

    Edit - and the average in Perth is approx AUS$4.6k / 2.5k now that's just silly!
    Last edited by Martyn1981; 10-05-2018 at 5:07 PM. Reason: Added an edit
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 10th May 18, 5:05 PM
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    12x MCS approved panels:
    Q Cells 315W Mono Q Peak Duo G5 Black Frame

    Ofgem approved digital meter
    4mm Solar flex DC cabling
    Access via scaffolding or tower access
    Complete installation including access tower/scaffolding
    Complete installation price

    Other items
    1 Growatt 3600 MTL dual Mppt inverter fitted in the loft

    Monitoring: from inverter and meter

    iBoost Plus connected to immersion heater

    5273
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 10th May 18, 5:35 PM
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    12x MCS approved panels:
    Q Cells 315W Mono Q Peak Duo G5 Black Frame

    Ofgem approved digital meter
    4mm Solar flex DC cabling
    Access via scaffolding or tower access
    Complete installation including access tower/scaffolding
    Complete installation price

    Other items
    1 Growatt 3600 MTL dual Mppt inverter fitted in the loft

    Monitoring: from inverter and meter

    iBoost Plus connected to immersion heater

    5273
    Originally posted by hawkwinddotcom
    That's more like it, a very decent price, especially as those 315Wp panels are probably quite expensive per Wp than say a 285Wp panel.

    What do you think, close(r) to jumping?
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 10th May 18, 5:39 PM
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    I did ask to be quoted for solaredge but thats not what the quote points to, I have asked for clarification... or am i missing something

    EDIT: quote changed to solaredge, same price etc
    Last edited by hawkwinddotcom; 10-05-2018 at 5:51 PM.
    • Crowmann
    • By Crowmann 10th May 18, 6:33 PM
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    Is the loft your only option?

    It is the convenient place and obviously out of sight but easily the warmest part of your home in high summer - just when it wants to be in the coolest. Additionally it cannot be read without going into the loft.

    If you have an adjoining garage then ideal, alternatively either outside (they are all IP rated) or in a discrete internal place - down stairs toilet?
    16 265w panels South facing, 45 degrees, West Norfolk.
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 10th May 18, 6:39 PM
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    I did have a quote for external, but quite happy to go into the loft.
    Garage is an extension and a bedroom, but didn't think of the toilet option

    Thanks
    • Merlin139
    • By Merlin139 10th May 18, 7:01 PM
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    I have my Inverter and Gen meter in my garage and it is always cool. At times my loft is around 45 to 50 centigrade and it does not do your inverter much good.

    Although I can read everything production wise through my app it makes it much easier to check the inverter if their is a problem.

    If you can get Solar Edge for the same price then I would say that the items you have listed are over priced. Does the Solar edge quote include a three phase inverter and optimisers?
    • hawkwinddotcom
    • By hawkwinddotcom 10th May 18, 7:07 PM
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    single phase, i believe.
    All optimizers
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