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    • lettki
    • By lettki 4th May 18, 12:54 AM
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    lettki
    ParkingEye Welcome Break overstay at night
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    • 4th May 18, 12:54 AM
    ParkingEye Welcome Break overstay at night 4th May 18 at 12:54 AM
    Hi
    Today I have received the PCN from ParkingEye for overstaying at night (from 2:34am to 06:59am total 4 h 24 m). 100 pounds to pay.
    The driver was very tired and drove in to motorway service station to have a little sleep, The driver did not notice any signs as it was dark. The driver thought that there is no charge at night for tired drivers but now when the keeper received the PCN the keeper check street view and there are signs but there is nothing about night charges the only reference to 24/7 charging is in microscopic print in a different part of the car park.


    I found the template on this forum to appeal, should I just blindly copy and paste?
    Should I put my name? (I am the RK )
    Any one knows how to find Welcome Break M3 contact numbers? I only found ones for customer feedback Should I contact them before I send appeal?

    I apologise if you already covered similar cases on this forum,
    my English is not very good and I want to make sure that I understand what to do.

    Please help
    Best regards
    M
    Last edited by lettki; 04-05-2018 at 11:20 AM.
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 5th May 18, 10:58 AM
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    The Deep
    Is not wanting 10 to park for 2 hours and 20 minutes in an MSA excessive? Can one not cite this as an unreasonable term in a consumer contract?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • lettki
    • By lettki 16th May 18, 7:20 PM
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    lettki
    Hi again
    I have received the letter that my appeal was unsuccessful with POPLA number.
    What should be my next steps?
    What should I send to POPLA? same letter as to Parking Eye?
    Thanks in advance.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 16th May 18, 7:24 PM
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    KeithP
    Definitely do not send the same appeal to PoPLA.

    Re-read the first two lines of post #18 for the way forward.
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    • lettki
    • By lettki 16th May 18, 7:27 PM
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    lettki
    Sorry, how do I find post #18 ?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 16th May 18, 7:30 PM
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    KeithP
    Every post in a thread has a number. This is post #25.
    Your most recent post is post # 24.
    Your first post in this thread is post #1.



    Posts #7 and #14 by Guys Dad also have good ideas.
    Last edited by KeithP; 16-05-2018 at 7:33 PM.
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    • lettki
    • By lettki 16th May 18, 7:32 PM
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    lettki
    ah ok
    sorry I am really bad with computers
    thank you
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th May 18, 8:14 PM
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    Show us your draft POPLA appeal like everyone else does, and NOT written in your own words. That's why the NEWBIES thread is there. Templates for POPLA in the third post of the sticky thread.

    And you can search the forum (easy, takes seconds) for POPLA ParkingEye signs dark and find several example POPLA appeals that people already wrote recently. Copy & adapt.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 16-05-2018 at 10:25 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 16th May 18, 8:54 PM
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    Guys Dad
    Is not wanting 10 to park for 2 hours and 20 minutes in an MSA excessive? Can one not cite this as an unreasonable term in a consumer contract?
    Originally posted by The Deep
    Wrong interpretation of the t&c, Deep. And you know it!

    It is not 10 for 2 hours 10 minutes - it is 10 for over 2 hours. As I have advised already in this thread, OP needs evidence signs are not up to scratch.
    • lettki
    • By lettki 16th May 18, 9:10 PM
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    lettki
    There is so much data, I am afraid that I will not be able to do it myself because of my English.
    Also I do not have anything to use: POFA is on the back on the letter.
    Signs are on the car park but who can expect that it applies at night when car park is empty.
    This is only 2 things I can put on my appeal.

    Could anyone help me to put that together as an appeal?
    Do you know Parking Cowboys? perhaps I should use their service?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th May 18, 10:27 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    Do you know Parking Cowboys? perhaps I should use their service?
    Have you seen what people are saying on TrustPilot?

    I told you to COPY ONE THAT SOMEONE ALREADY WROTE.

    And I told you how to find one.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 17th May 18, 5:01 AM
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    Guys Dad
    Signs are on the car park but who can expect that it applies at night when car park is empty.
    Originally posted by lettki
    Well me and most regulars on here for a start. Unless a sign says charges exclude certain periods, then it applies 24/7.

    Pointless argument or appeal point I am afraid.
    • lettki
    • By lettki 17th May 18, 9:29 PM
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    lettki
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2959124,-0.8534879,3a,81.9y,233.49h,88.04t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJ_ZwCVR2qoKYsEY-Wf4MkA!2e0
    • lettki
    • By lettki 17th May 18, 9:30 PM
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    lettki
    Is it appropriate signage?
    Even "no HGVs' is a lot bigger
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 18, 9:53 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    Anyone knows Nicholas Bowen case?
    mentioned here in advised just given in a new thread where someone is fighting a court claim, same location, because they didn't bother with POPLA stage:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844216

    So your easy task is simply to copy another ParkingEye POPLA unlit signs appeal.

    Search for those (bold type) words in the 'search this forum' box, it can't get much easier. Copy one you find this weekend, and show us FIRST, don't rush.

    You do NOT need to pay anyone to do this for you.

    There is NO appeals firm we ever recommend in a million years.

    No-one does it better than MSE and we have loads of POPLA appeals just like this.

    Is it appropriate signage?
    Even "no HGVs' is a lot bigger
    We agree. And it was dark and the signs are unlit.

    That's the same as lots of winning POPLA appeals already written and won, on this forum.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • lettki
    • By lettki 17th May 18, 10:40 PM
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    lettki
    I have already spend 4 hours searching/ making the draft and with my level of English I would need another 4 hours or more.
    I prefer to spend this time with my kids...
    Just paid 60 pounds to this thieves.

    Thanks for all your help and good luck everyone.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th May 18, 11:02 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    ParkingEye POPLA unlit signs
    It took you a four hours to put those words in the search box?

    I'd rather you paid a PPC than an appeals firm though, personally. Being absolutely serious.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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