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    • prowla
    • By prowla 3rd May 18, 6:05 PM
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    Water or Coke - that's about it
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    • 3rd May 18, 6:05 PM
    Water or Coke - that's about it 3rd May 18 at 6:05 PM
    I absolutely detest artificial sweetener; it seems like when I go out now I can either have water or Coke to drink.

    (Some places do San Pellegrino too.)
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    • lammy82
    • By lammy82 4th May 18, 5:54 PM
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    If pubs added the same percentage onto soft drinks as they do for alcoholic then soft drinks would in many cases be a lot cheaper than they currently are.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Right, but they don't calculate markup that way, because they're not basing the margin on the cost of the drink, they're basing it on the costs of actually running a pub, i.e. staff, glassware, cleaning, insurance, furniture, occupancy etc. These overheads are largely the same whether people are drinking cheap or expensive drinks.

    So it's (example):

    Cost price + 20% markup + fixed overhead of 1.50 per drink.

    That's how it works in a pub, because everyone gets the same level of service and accommodation whether they are buying Coke or beer.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 4th May 18, 6:02 PM
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    Well, it was prompted by me having lunch at Five Guys, which indeed did only have that choice of soft drink - everything else in their machine (including iced teas) did have sweetener.

    Apologies for misleading anybody...

    Of course it depends where you go, as to whether they have the upmarket drinks and/or whether they have artificial in them (some places seem not to know if I ask).
    Originally posted by prowla
    Im not sure I would set the benchmark of drinks available, by a high street chain that offers one post mix self service machine!
    • prowla
    • By prowla 4th May 18, 7:21 PM
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    Im not sure I would set the benchmark of drinks available, by a high street chain that offers one post mix self service machine!
    Originally posted by custardy
    It's indicative.

    Can you tell me any other mainstream soft drinks which are artificial sweetener free?
    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 4th May 18, 7:22 PM
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    Well, I was talking about non-alcoholic drinks; since I am generally driving when I go out.
    Originally posted by prowla
    There are an increasing range of non-alcoholic beers available now.
    (E.g Becks Blue, Brewdog Nanny State)
    • seashore22
    • By seashore22 4th May 18, 8:14 PM
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    It's indicative.

    Can you tell me any other mainstream soft drinks which are artificial sweetener free?
    Originally posted by prowla
    I don't think it is indicative. The one restaurant you use to back up your claim is very unusual I would say. Look at this competitor:

    https://www.byronhamburgers.com/menu/drinks

    Many of the soft drinks on here are free of artificial sweeteners.

    If people ask for drinks free of artificial sweeteners then that's what restaurants will have to stock, eventually. It's no bad thing that the mainstream gets a bit of competition from smaller companies who make a quality product. I don't think mainstream fizzy drinks are really what I would call quality.

    Don't get me wrong, I deplore the sugar tax as all that will happen is more and more artificial sweeteners in our food and drink. I would rather that there was a campaign to get people to eat and drink less of the things that aren't great for us and stop messing around with our food. Is it better that people drink sugar free drinks every day or have a sugary drink once a week? I know which I prefer.
    Last edited by seashore22; 04-05-2018 at 8:22 PM.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 4th May 18, 9:25 PM
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    Right, but they don't calculate markup that way, because they're not basing the margin on the cost of the drink, they're basing it on the costs of actually running a pub, i.e. staff, glassware, cleaning, insurance, furniture, occupancy etc. These overheads are largely the same whether people are drinking cheap or expensive drinks.

    So it's (example):

    Cost price + 20% markup + fixed overhead of 1.50 per drink.

    That's how it works in a pub, because everyone gets the same level of service and accommodation whether they are buying Coke or beer.
    Originally posted by lammy82

    So by that reckoning a glass of tap water would be 1.50 plus a few pence for the cost of the water.
    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 5th May 18, 2:19 AM
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    So by that reckoning a glass of tap water would be 1.50 plus a few pence for the cost of the water.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Except for the fact that places serving alcohol must legally provide tap water for free on request

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/tap-water-rights
    • lammy82
    • By lammy82 5th May 18, 5:28 PM
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    So by that reckoning a glass of tap water would be 1.50 plus a few pence for the cost of the water.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Yeah, I reckon that's what about what they would charge if going to pubs to drink water became a "thing" and the law was amended to allow them to charge for it. It's about what you'd pay for a mug of tea which is water plus a teabag costing a few pennies.
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 5th May 18, 5:32 PM
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    Have tap water.
    Free
    Sugar free
    Fat free
    Good for you
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    • Officer Dibble
    • By Officer Dibble 5th May 18, 11:37 PM
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    The obesity epedemic and widespread introduction of artificially sweetened drinks started at roughly the same time in the 70s. Cause and effect is obviously very hard to prove, but before then people were happily drinking sugary drinks (albeit in more sensible amounts than they do now) and not getting wobbly.

    Most people I know who drink artificially sweetened drinks make very unhealthy choices in what they eat. Not their fault - they've had a massive cue to their body to expect to have to process a lot of sugar (from drinking something that's massively sweeter tasting than anything with real sugar in), and their poor body's left with nothing to process and craves all the bad stuff. Until there's a decent artificial sweetener on the market that works with your body not against it, and that doesn't taste disgusting (it's on its way, and called Sweetbiotix) the sugar tax should never have gone through.
    • bap98189
    • By bap98189 8th May 18, 10:18 AM
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    But the mark up on soft drinks in pubs over the price that you'd pay in the supermarket is usually vastly greater than the difference for alcoholic drinks. If bottled beer had the same markup as soft drinks you would be paying 6 or more in a pub for a 330ml bottle - I don't know where you drink but I don't know anywhere around here that charges anything like that.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    You can't compare the price you pay in the supermarket with a pub. Firstly pubs don't buy drinks as cheaply as supermarkets.

    Think of a the cost of a drink in a pub as rent for the table. The pub doesn't really care what you drink, it just has to make so many pounds per hour from each table to cover the overheads. Selling coke at 2 they are probably making about the same amount of money as they do from selling a pint of beer at 3.50.
    • prowla
    • By prowla 8th May 18, 11:38 AM
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    There are an increasing range of non-alcoholic beers available now.
    (E.g Becks Blue, Brewdog Nanny State)
    Originally posted by p00hsticks
    I've tried some, but they don't really float my boat, TBH.
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