Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@. Skimlinks & other affiliated links are turned on

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • tazwhoever
    • By tazwhoever 30th Apr 18, 8:30 PM
    • 1,034Posts
    • 236Thanks
    tazwhoever
    Do I need a new PC?
    • #1
    • 30th Apr 18, 8:30 PM
    Do I need a new PC? 30th Apr 18 at 8:30 PM
    Have my PC since 2008, Windows 7 32bit home, MS Office 2010 running VM internet.

    Looking at the OS running life and age of PC, should I be thinking about upgrading my PC or let it run for few more years?

    Thanks
Page 7
    • no1catman
    • By no1catman 14th May 18, 2:54 PM
    • 2,730 Posts
    • 2,063 Thanks
    no1catman
    Do you need a new PC?

    When you start it up - how long does it take to be able to do anything with?
    Is your hard disk space almost used up?
    I would enquire whether your operating system is fully supported - but that's already been answered.

    I'm on my third PC. The first one I got in 1995 windows 3 I think - very useful with my part-time Further Education courses.
    The second one - new base unit built up locally, with 'XP', then when support for that was going, and I found it took a good five minutes to start up!!
    The third one was from Chillblast - good reviews - could tailor make it - with windows 7.
    Where I worked, I could get Windows Office 2010 for a tenner - which may have given Microsoft my details when I set it up, as when Windows 10 came out I had emails 'inviting' me to have it free. Nine months later - I said yes, figured by then the 'bugs' would've been sorted, and if I needed to later - would cost a fortune.
    I used to work for Tesco - now retired - speciality Clubcard
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 15th May 18, 6:25 PM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    It was clearly going to be a waste of time asking where this file on a hosting site came from or what it does as anyone with sense would give an explanation of what that first step(update bios) gives you and any problem it will solve if you don't.

    Your reply was very off hand when I said I would want to know before installing anything what it does.

    Then throwing a wobbly on someone else because they don't use ebay...
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    What are you going on about??

    Did you actually ask me about the BIOS update?

    This is what you wrote;

    it never goes that easy from scratch.

    Just checking the bios upgrade and what it does will take time.

    is there really a legal free upgrade from vista to 7?
    My reply was;

    You are just over complicating things. It really is that easy.
    Yes.
    I didn't understand that as a question to me, but to your general experience of upgrading. That you spend ages 'checking' a BIOS update on the manufacturers website and what it does.... seems a five minute job to me.
    But for you, a major obstacle.

    That seems rather to over-complicate the process and probably explains why you you are still running Vista in 2018. Because you don't actually appear to have moved forward.

    You didn't actually ask me anything. But here you are insulting the person who actually takes the time to help.
    You just wrote that it would take time to find out what it does. It would have taken a few seconds for you to ask.

    As to your suggestion that I should pre-explain every single step. That is patently ridiculous. Do you know how many hundreds of guides I have written for people who simply decide to take another path, such a purchasing a new machine?
    So now I keep it short, explaining the basic steps. Then if someone actually decide to go through with it, I will explain it step by step.
    Did you miss the part where I wrote step by step earlier?

    I have actually explained everything that has been asked of me here, but I'm not going to get involved in silly arguments and mud slinging.

    If you prefer to argue for the sake of it, then you simply get added to the ignore list.

    As to my comment to tazwhoever...perhaps it was too subtle for you, but it was less about eBay and more to do with every suggestion I made being met with an alternative suggestion. Like that horribly overpriced close to ten year old DELL machine that she wanted to consider for 350.
    Each new post slightly more outlandish that the last.
    So in all honesty, it became tiresome.
    I wouldn't have spent more than 30 on that machine. She has no extra performance benefit for spending more.
    It's seems a classic case of the blind leading the blind. So now she follows your route. Someone who admits to still running Vista in 2018. Impressive.
    Sharing your notes. Wow.
    Anyway, the choices have been made. Let's just leave it at that, shall we?
    • trigger fish
    • By trigger fish 15th May 18, 9:33 PM
    • 2,454 Posts
    • 3,071 Thanks
    trigger fish
    OP

    My Dell Inspiron 530 recently conked out.

    I bought a Dell Optiplex 760 reconditioned unit for 80 on ebay running windows 10.

    The difference in speed is enormous. And the size of the unit is much smaller.

    I wouldn't put any money against a machine of that age.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 15th May 18, 9:36 PM
    • 33,479 Posts
    • 20,231 Thanks
    getmore4less
    That you spend ages 'checking' a BIOS update on the manufacturers website and what it does.... seems a five minute job to me.
    That would have been fine if it had been a link to the latest and greatest dell bios for the model, an an easy job to check it out.

    BUT that is not what we were dealing with with your proposed easy bios upgrade it was a link to a random file on a web hosting site with nothing to give it any credibility.

    Do you still stand by the suggestion in the post(74236830) you seem to have deleted along with the post it referenced that included the link to the potentially dodgy file...

    here for those that missed it(my bold, that post mentioned has also gone).
    Would have been a simple job.Back up product keys. Update using the BIOS linked in my post. Install SSD as boot drive, install Windows 7 Professional cleanly to SSD. Attach old HDD as storage drive. Move stuff over at leisure.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    that people install, without doing any checks, a random file from an hosting site without any heritage to their BIOS?
    • capital0ne
    • By capital0ne 15th May 18, 11:13 PM
    • 569 Posts
    • 271 Thanks
    capital0ne
    Ditch windows and move to Linux - Mint, Ubuntu, whatever you feel like, far more secure, far easier to configure and less resource hungry - add memory to your machine, memeory for a 10 yr old machine is dirt cheap on Ebay.
    • tazwhoever
    • By tazwhoever 16th May 18, 12:30 AM
    • 1,034 Posts
    • 236 Thanks
    tazwhoever
    OP

    My Dell Inspiron 530 recently conked out.

    I bought a Dell Optiplex 760 reconditioned unit for 80 on ebay running windows 10.

    The difference in speed is enormous. And the size of the unit is much smaller.

    I wouldn't put any money against a machine of that age.
    Originally posted by trigger fish
    But your new machine isn't with SSD!
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 16th May 18, 5:50 AM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    But your new machine isn't with SSD!
    Originally posted by tazwhoever
    ???

    Irony?

    The machine in post #89 was even cheaper, newer, better and had an SSD fitted.

    It appears that you have let yourself be misled by some very inexperienced people on this thread. Feeding into your fears with their own fears and their inherent lack of knowledge.
    Clearly illustrated by the horrible machines put forward as alternatives and the lack of knowledge of what a BIOS of that age can actually do.

    Instead they simply throw mud around, hoping some of it would stick. No help to you whatsoever.
    Instead of encouraging, they simply put more fear into you.

    You could have a really nice machine for the children by spending much less, but instead, sadly, you'll have the same old thing, but with more storage.
    It's akin to moving to a bigger house because you filled the old one with junk and then taking all of the junk with you.
    The last thing most computers need is more on-board storage, unless a relatively useless 32GB eMMC model.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 16th May 18, 5:56 AM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    That would have been fine if it had been a link to the latest and greatest dell bios for the model, an an easy job to check it out.

    BUT that is not what we were dealing with with your proposed easy bios upgrade it was a link to a random file on a web hosting site with nothing to give it any credibility.

    Do you still stand by the suggestion in the post(74236830) you seem to have deleted along with the post it referenced that included the link to the potentially dodgy file...

    here for those that missed it(my bold, that post mentioned has also gone).


    that people install, without doing any checks, a random file from an hosting site without any heritage to their BIOS?
    Originally posted by getmore4less

    I haven't deleted anything.
    You didn't ask about the BIOS. It is the latest and greatest.
    I don't mind if you don't want to use it. The people that know me here have implicit trust in my knowledge.
    The other thing you will have noticed with the files behind the link, is that a novice would have no idea of what to do with them. But an experienced user would. So I would expect that any novice actually wanting to go through with the upgrade, would ask for instructions.
    Writing them all out in advance would just create a wall of writing, scaring most newbies off. Understand?
    Stick with Vista. It doesn't hurt me. But sad to see people like yourself drag others down because of your lack of knowledge.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th May 18, 6:09 AM
    • 33,479 Posts
    • 20,231 Thanks
    getmore4less
    I haven't deleted anything.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    At least two of your posts on this thread have gone have gone.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 16th May 18, 6:27 AM
    • 8,428 Posts
    • 6,207 Thanks
    esuhl
    You didn't ask about the BIOS. It is the latest and greatest.
    I don't mind if you don't want to use it. The people that know me here have implicit trust in my knowledge.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere

    If you've hacked the firmware to change the Windows product key to install a dodgy copy of Windows, fair enough. But why mislead the OP about what they're doing?


    It should be common sense not to download BIOS firmware from a dodgy filesharing website, so you're going need more than a belief that others have implicit trust in you to explain why this is an exceptional case.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 16th May 18, 6:34 AM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    At least two of your posts on this thread have gone have gone.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Perhaps someone, two guesses as to whom, reported them as something malign.
    Now perhaps you see the result of silly fear-mongering, as opposed to intelligent discussion.
    There was no fear of malign code, only a silly argument about whether Royalty OEM is 'legal' without paying Royalty fees to the OEM. DELL in this case.
    Conveniently forgetting that selling OEM licences without them being pre-installed to a machine is also not 'legal'.
    Truth is that the two arguing didn't even understand the difference between Royalty OEM and System Builder OEM and were simply bluffing 'on the fly'.
    Not a good reflection on you to hitch your wagon to them.
    The people with the knowledge here don't want to get into childish arguments with relative novices.
    Suffice to say, they don't know what they are talking about and have only harmed the people who know even less than them by making them even more fearful.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 16th May 18, 6:52 AM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    If you've hacked the firmware to change the Windows product key to install a dodgy copy of Windows, fair enough. But why mislead the OP about what they're doing?


    It should be common sense not to download BIOS firmware from a dodgy filesharing website, so you're going need more than a belief that others have implicit trust in you to explain why this is an exceptional case.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    This is a typical example of the ignorance written by the two bluffers on this thread.

    "hacked the firmware to change the Windows product key"?? This clearly illustrates that you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about.
    There is no product key contained within legacy BIOS. So how can you change something that is not there?? Even if you could add a product key, where would you put it and how would it activate the device?
    What key would this be to work so seamlessly?
    I've never even heard of such a thing.
    You are desperately skimming articles hoping to gain some knowledge to bolster your argument, but failing miserably.

    In fact, the Product Key is contained within the Dell Media. This illustrates that you simply haven't a clue of what it is that you are talking about.

    Pray tell me....what would be a non-dodgy filesharing site? Google Drive? DropBox?
    Why do you insist on making yourself look silly.

    If as AndyPix suggested, DELL had pulled the BIOS update from their website, but someone had backed it up before they did so, on which filesharing site would you prefer it presented to you?

    You should really stop, you are only showing yourself up.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th May 18, 9:59 AM
    • 33,479 Posts
    • 20,231 Thanks
    getmore4less
    Perhaps someone, two guesses as to whom, reported them as something malign.
    Now perhaps you see the result of silly fear-mongering, as opposed to intelligent discussion.
    There was no fear of malign code, only a silly argument about whether Royalty OEM is 'legal' without paying Royalty fees to the OEM. DELL in this case.
    Conveniently forgetting that selling OEM licences without them being pre-installed to a machine is also not 'legal'.
    Truth is that the two arguing didn't even understand the difference between Royalty OEM and System Builder OEM and were simply bluffing 'on the fly'.
    Not a good reflection on you to hitch your wagon to them.
    The people with the knowledge here don't want to get into childish arguments with relative novices.
    Suffice to say, they don't know what they are talking about and have only harmed the people who know even less than them by making them even more fearful.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    Who knows, but you are trying to deflect

    You posted a link to a file on a sharing site saying install this without saying what it was where it came from...

    No mater how smart or knowledgeable you are that was a very naive action.

    should have added something like, this is the latest/last Bios that Dell produced for these machines but is no longer available from Dell.

    I don't pick side everyone has Zero credibility on the internet till they prove otherwise.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 16th May 18, 5:07 PM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    Who knows, but you are trying to deflect

    You posted a link to a file on a sharing site saying install this without saying what it was where it came from...

    No mater how smart or knowledgeable you are that was a very naive action.

    should have added something like, this is the latest/last Bios that Dell produced for these machines but is no longer available from Dell.

    I don't pick side everyone has Zero credibility on the internet till they prove otherwise.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Deflect? This is classic.
    Someone who hasn't the slightest idea about the workings of a PC, telling an expert how he should talk someone through an upgrade.
    Laughable.
    I'm not deflecting, because I am not arguing. There are no sides.
    I know what is what and you and the infamous two are dealing in conjecture.
    If you don't want to make use of the BIOS, don't.
    No argument from me. No one is paying me and I don't need to try to convince you.
    I just stated the facts.
    As I wrote earlier, you stick with Vista. Don't confuse yourself with things you simply don't understand.
    Have a nice day.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 17th May 18, 1:29 AM
    • 8,428 Posts
    • 6,207 Thanks
    esuhl
    Deflect? This is classic.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere

    All that anyone has asked is that you explain yourself.


    Downloading a BIOS from anyone other than the manufacturer's website is an obvious security risk. Even if it is safe and you are the most trustworthy man alive, it is dangerous to encourage newbies to engage in such risky behaviour.


    No one is questioning your superior knowledge. We are just asking you to share it with us.


    Because... the lack of an explanation, and your continued attempts to deflect the conversation away from the technical details of what it is you are suggesting, leave other "techies" reading this somewhat concerned about the validity of the advice you're giving.


    If as AndyPix suggested, DELL had pulled the BIOS update from their website, but someone had backed it up before they did so, on which filesharing site would you prefer it presented to you?
    Originally posted by EveryWhere

    Why on earth would Dell pull the BIOS update from their website unless there was a problem with it?! Have you even checked the support site? Here are the OFFICIAL BIOS versions that haven't been hacked by random people:


    http://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukdhs1/product-support/product/inspiron-530s/drivers


    The latest one is v. 1.0.18. I suggest the OP consider upgrading to this version if they want to try Windows 10 again.



    You should really stop, you are only showing yourself up.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere

    Funnily enough, those were exactly my thoughts about you.


    Unless you can fully explain why you are suggesting that someone installs a potentially corrupt BIOS version... And what problems led to Dell removing it from their website... then you have lost the argument and made a fool of yourself.


    So... Will you explain your reasons for installing BIOS firmware from an untrustworthy source? Explain why it was pulled by Dell? Explain why the user should install a BIOS against the advice of the manufacturer?


    Or will you concede that you are encouraging someone to use a hacked BIOS without even having the courtesy to explain what you are suggesting and its implications?
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 17th May 18, 8:58 AM
    • 1,033 Posts
    • 494 Thanks
    EveryWhere
    Just so that you know;



    I took it off temporarily earlier to see if you had anything of interest to add.
    But after reading the embarrassing "hacked the firmware to change the Windows product key" statement, it is clear that I am not communicating with a peer.

    There is no benefit in wasting my time with fruitless discussions.

    Proverbs 26:4: Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
    • trigger fish
    • By trigger fish 17th May 18, 11:09 AM
    • 2,454 Posts
    • 3,071 Thanks
    trigger fish
    Just so that you know;



    I took it off temporarily earlier to see if you had anything of interest to add.
    But after reading the embarrassing "hacked the firmware to change the Windows product key" statement, it is clear that I am not communicating with a peer.

    There is no benefit in wasting my time with fruitless discussions.

    Proverbs 26:4: Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    'Who is the bigger fool. The fool or the fool that follows the fool'-Obi Kenobi, Star Wars.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 18, 11:38 AM
    • 3,967 Posts
    • 3,339 Thanks
    AndyPix
    Downloading a BIOS from anyone other than the manufacturer's website is an obvious security risk. Even if it is safe and you are the most trustworthy man alive, it is dangerous to encourage newbies to engage in such risky behaviour.
    Originally posted by esuhl

    I agree somewhat - but you know the guy's history who is advising this


    No one is questioning your superior knowledge. We are just asking you to share it with us.
    .
    Originally posted by esuhl
    It's like he's being called out - i dont blame him for not expanding further when comically wrong statements have been thrown around whilst he is just trying to help - I wouldnt either

    Why on earth would Dell pull the BIOS update from their website unless there was a problem with it?! Have you even checked the support site? Here are the OFFICIAL BIOS versions that haven't been hacked by random people:.
    Originally posted by esuhl

    Sheesh Nothing has been hacked by anyone !!
    You must know that when a newer BIOS is released, the older one is replaced on the support site - and it is the older BIOS that is needed for this upgrade path


    So... Will you explain your reasons for installing BIOS firmware from an untrustworthy source? Explain why it was pulled by Dell? Explain why the user should install a BIOS against the advice of the manufacturer?
    Originally posted by esuhl
    The reason for the alternative source is because it is no longer available on the Dell site - as with any superceded BIOS update - It wasnt "pulled" by Dell, a newer version simply came out so that is the version that is now available from their site ..


    This thread has gone crazy - and some people who I consider quite tech savvy normally - have failed horribly to understand the gist of it !
    Running with scissors since 1978
    • ChuckMountain
    • By ChuckMountain 17th May 18, 4:21 PM
    • 177 Posts
    • 64 Thanks
    ChuckMountain
    You didn't ask about the BIOS. It is the latest and greatest.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    Yep, its actually the same starting version as on Dell's website 1.0.18, which is still there. It has however been modified to change the SLP version from 2.0 to 2.1. No prizes for the fact that enables Windows 7 to be installed on a modified machine with the right media. Yep if you mod the bios in the right way on a machine that predated the upgrade path you can get round it

    Sheesh Nothing has been hacked by anyone !!
    You must know that when a newer BIOS is released, the older one is replaced on the support site - and it is the older BIOS that is needed for this upgrade path

    The reason for the alternative source is because it is no longer available on the Dell site - as with any superceded BIOS update - It wasnt "pulled" by Dell, a newer version simply came out so that is the version that is now available from their site ..
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Erm no! Dell, HP and Intel etc. all carry multiple versions of drivers and bios on their website. They don't generally remove them unless there was an issue with them, i.e start bricking people's machines. Not all versions might get a public release either so you may get gaps in version numbers.

    Also would be great for those newer machines that if they were eligible for Win 7 to install the latest version of the bios from Dell only to then find that actually you cannot reinstall Windows anymore if Dell had actually removed it ...

    If the shared bios link was a legitimate Dell bios that had been removed from their website, it would have had a different Bios version file and number as the base for a start. It really should have some sort of release log too.

    There is a healthy community around modding the Inspiron 530s as it is based on an Award bios. Some people mod it to allow overclocking, enabled locked features, others to allow different Windows installs. However all have a caveat use with caution, some actually go further and state you should get the latest version from the Dell website and mod yourself. I appreciate that will only appeal to a smaller number of people and we get into a narrower technical field so a prepared one might appeal, especially with the promise of free Windows 7.

    If you've hacked the firmware to change the Windows product key to install a dodgy copy of Windows, fair enough. But why mislead the OP about what they're doing?

    It should be common sense not to download BIOS firmware from a dodgy filesharing website, so you're going need more than a belief that others have implicit trust in you to explain why this is an exceptional case.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    Yep agree and it's the trust issue. Other than the Windows 7 there is no reason to download the version he linked to. There is a risk that that the bios has been compromised and you are supposed to just trust that. It is easy enough to mod the bios for all the wrong reasons too.

    Who knows, but you are trying to deflect

    You posted a link to a file on a sharing site saying install this without saying what it was where it came from...

    No mater how smart or knowledgeable you are that was a very naive action.

    should have added something like, this is the latest/last Bios that Dell produced for these machines but is no longer available from Dell.

    I don't pick side everyone has Zero credibility on the internet till they prove otherwise.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Except he cannot say that as it is still version 1.0.18 the same version as on Dell but with tweaks from a 3rd party source, could be him, could be anybody else with whatever intentions....

    Or he is trying his luck at Social Engineering

    I'm not deflecting, because I am not arguing
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    Of course you are, you try going in a different direction each time you don't like answering questions e.g. : -

    1) Let's move the discussion to talk about the selling of System Builder OEM licences on Fleabay and whether that should be legal - no as that has no relevance to the thread
    2) Picking a few points and twisting them as have not actually quoted them
    3) Generally insulting people because they are asking you questions that you don't want to answer or just putting them on ignore


    It's like he's being called out - i dont blame him for not expanding further when comically wrong statements have been thrown around whilst he is just trying to help - I wouldnt either
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    It works both ways have a polite discussion and argument but don't insult peoples intelligent or pretend that he is vastly superior in his knowledge.
    Last edited by ChuckMountain; 17-05-2018 at 4:27 PM.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 17th May 18, 5:46 PM
    • 33,479 Posts
    • 20,231 Thanks
    getmore4less
    I agree somewhat - but you know the guy's history who is advising this
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    NO that's why people question the "down load this file"

    so I looked

    It don't look good

    very poor thanked rating for an "expert"

    does not like thanking people 32 in 7 months

    <260 posts of those 152 are on 56 threads are on the tech forum

    There is no substantial history with that contribution

    I could trawl through to see the quality of the posts

    Posting a link to an unknown file on a sharing site without saying what it is is a basic novice error, and not a way to gain trust

    How many of those 56 threads offered the same?

    There are 2 basic unanswered questions without simple explanations.

    1. what was that BIOS?

    2. What is the legal FREE upgrade route from vista from these old Dell 530 machines to an newer MS OS?
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

1,596Posts Today

8,147Users online

Martin's Twitter
  • RT @RickGreerUK: @MartinSLewis Someone looking so jazz up their headline. I hope they apologise! I?ve always appreciated MSE?s responsibl?

  • The Times has an upsetting article today about travel insurer TIF. Yet a sidebar piece is also more than disinge? https://t.co/KgJaTkWFOg

  • RT @kcb1: Looking forward to @MartinSLewis on the money show tonight at 8. It?s a shame it?s only 1 hour long

  • Follow Martin