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    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 26th Apr 18, 9:53 AM
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    New Boiler Plus 2018 Regulations
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    • 26th Apr 18, 9:53 AM
    New Boiler Plus 2018 Regulations 26th Apr 18 at 9:53 AM
    From 1 April, new boiler installations must comply with Boiler Plus 2018 Regulations.

    New boilers must be at least 92% Erp and all combi boiler installations must include one of the following:

    Weather compensation

    Load compensation

    Flue Gas Heat Recovery

    Smart controls

    There appears to be a paragraph in the legislation that suggests that:

    Homeowners who knowingly allow non-compliant work to be carried out could also face prosecution and fines of up to £5,000

    I suspect that proving 'knowingly' could be difficult unless there is a paper trail between the installer and the homeowner.
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    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 26th Apr 18, 6:10 PM
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    • 26th Apr 18, 6:10 PM
    Any chance you could explain that - I understood line one & the last 3 lines.

    It looks like my useless "condensating?" boiler will need replacing in the next couple of years (after lasting less than half the time the previous combi boiler did) & it would be nice to have some idea of the fancy ideas they are coming up with before some salesman tries to blind me with science/lies.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 26th Apr 18, 6:52 PM
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    • 26th Apr 18, 6:52 PM
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    • 26th Apr 18, 6:52 PM
    Just Google it. There's info on t'interweb about what it means
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    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 26th Apr 18, 7:08 PM
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    • 26th Apr 18, 7:08 PM
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    • 26th Apr 18, 7:08 PM
    Any chance you could explain that - I understood line one & the last 3 lines.

    It looks like my useless "condensating?" boiler will need replacing in the next couple of years (after lasting less than half the time the previous combi boiler did) & it would be nice to have some idea of the fancy ideas they are coming up with before some salesman tries to blind me with science/lies.
    Originally posted by badmemory
    The ‘bottomline’ is that the cost of a boiler replacement is going to cost you more than it would a month ago. Flue gas heat recovery is a box that sits above the boiler as part of the flue. On a combi boiler, the hot water supply pipe passes through this box (heat exchanger) and removes some of the heat from the flue gases. Valliant’s other solutions are as follows:

    VRT 50 - The easiest way to meet boiler plus

    Vaillant’s most simple and straightforward digital room thermostat which measures and displays the room temperature through a clear digital display, whilst fully modulating the boiler through intelligent (enhanced) load compensation to optimise efficiency.

    The VRT 50 allows the user to set their optimal room temperature with a simple turn of the dial. The VRT 50 utilises Vaillant’s low voltage eBUS protocol that uses a simple 0.75mm two core cable to connect directly to the boiler.

    With the VRT 50 time control of the boiler will also be required – normally via the timeSWITCH 150 plugged into the boiler.

    VRT 350(f) – the effortless (and popular) way to meet boiler plus

    Vaillants most popular intelligent programmable room thermostat the VRT 350 allows you to programme your times and temperatures all from one wired or wireless ‘plug and play’ device. Our intelligent VRT 350 uses an intuitive and familiar menu layout so you can change times and temperatures with ease. Enhanced load compensation requires no set up and will begin automatically adjusting the boilers output based on the room temperature difference.

    vSMART - The efficient and smart way to meet boiler plus

    Meet Boiler Plus with ease using our vSMART connected thermostat. Our vSMART control utilises internet weather data to adapt the boiler output. There’s no need to set a heat curve as this is automatically set during the initial few hours the boiler is running. The vSMART app is available on both iOS and Android and can be used by multiple users to control your heating when you are in or out of your home.

    From the moment vSMART is installed it will automatically start learning the thermal behaviour of the property. This allows the vSMART to anticipate what time to bring the heating on to ensure your home is at your desired temperature when you arrive home (‘optimum start’).

    VRC 700 - The most flexible way to meet boiler plus

    The VRC 700 provides total system control and is the most flexible programmable room thermostat in our range. It can be used for everything from a single heating circuit to the installation of up to nine heating circuits, whilst controlling boilers, heat pumps and cascade configurations. The VRC 700 can be purchased as a wired or wireless thermostat which utilises an (included) outdoor temperature sensor. This feature weather compensates for the outdoor weather by automatically adjusting the boiler output based on current weather conditions. When purchased with the VR 920 gateway the VRC 700 app can be utilised to control the VRC 700 remotely from a iOS or Android smartphone.
    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 27th Apr 18, 9:02 AM
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    • 27th Apr 18, 9:02 AM
    I can just imagine the conversation now :- " You can have a boiler that meets the new standards for £4.5k, or, I can just do a like for like replacement of the old boiler for £2k...." . Which outcome is most likely ??
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 27th Apr 18, 9:14 AM
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    • 27th Apr 18, 9:14 AM
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    The cheapest of the enhancements would appear to weather compensation which for a WB boiler would cost about £30 plus fitting.

    The unanswered question is why the above improvements do not apply to system boilers. This is a response from another website:

    It doesn't apply to system/heat only boilers as the theory was that it wasn't easy to implement at this current time, along with the issues of weather/load compensation causing issues with hot water regeneration, therefore causing legionella risks should it not work correctly. Ideally everything would have to be converted to DHW priority which is not always feasible in existing properties.
    • plumberpaig
    • By plumberpaig 13th May 18, 1:17 PM
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    • 13th May 18, 1:17 PM
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    • 13th May 18, 1:17 PM
    My advice to customers would be to fit a smart learning thermostat

    The added convenience over the next 10 years for that device is well worth the £150 initial outlay.

    You can install a smart thermostat yourself pretty easily. Some of them even come with pretty little brackets to fix to the wall to replace your existing set up, at no extra cost and with no tools required.

    The pay back period for the thermostat is the best out of all the other options.

    On a side note, 4 of my gas safe friends didn't know anything about this new regulation - so beware of engineers not giving you correct advice.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 13th May 18, 2:23 PM
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    • 13th May 18, 2:23 PM
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    • 13th May 18, 2:23 PM

    On a side note, 4 of my gas safe friends didn't know anything about this new regulation - so beware of engineers not giving you correct advice.
    Originally posted by plumberpaig
    They are sadly not the only ones. I have just had an EPC done for my home. I have an A+ rated boiler; Honeywell Evohome multi-room zoning and Opentherm control. The EPC assessment shows 4 stars for my heating system. This is the same classification that was awarded to my next door neighbour whose property still has its original Ideal Classic boiler. The assessor told me that he had never assessed a home with smart heating controls.
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