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    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 18th Apr 18, 3:38 PM
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    looking for a specific doctor's letter if anyone had any ideas?
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    • 18th Apr 18, 3:38 PM
    looking for a specific doctor's letter if anyone had any ideas? 18th Apr 18 at 3:38 PM
    i'm currently trying to obtain a doctor's letter from my GP but i'm having problems due to her refusal to sign off on two particular clauses.

    the letter in question would enable me to start a particular dieting program and it needs to initially confirm some basic details like name, weight, height e.t.c.. but it also needs to confirm that a sensible, calorie controlled diet won't be detrimental to my health (which it won't be..) and that the weight loss will be achieved without resorting to surgery (which it also won't be).

    these are the two particular clauses my GP isn't willing to sign off on so i'm wondering if there's any way I could obtain such a letter form another medical professional ?

    i'm currently waiting on a call from NHS 111 for further advice as well.

    I'd obviously be willing to play ball as far as submitting to any medical examinations or health checks necessary and also pay for the letter as well, but i'm at a loss for ideas at the moment so if anyone had any ideas i'd certainly be grateful. thanks.
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    • Anoneemoose
    • By Anoneemoose 8th May 18, 11:30 AM
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    Diets donít work long term for the majority, so itís hardly surprising youíve not kept it off before.

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    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 8th Aug 18, 5:51 PM
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    I was in two minds about whether or not to share this latest piece of information, largely because I know it'll open up a whole new round of grief but I just felt it was absurd enough to warrant sharing either way.

    Earlier in the thread I mentioned I was seeing a specialist in August and I would ask them for help with obtaining the letter I wanted.

    I've now seen that specialist. We talked about my weight and dieting and I explained my situation to him and how I felt about things, including motivation and he told me that he felt I was suitable for bariatric surgery, and that he'd like to refer me for it.

    It was at this point I brought up the topic of the bet. I explained the situation to him and told him what i was looking for. I've since learnt that the letter I need only has to say "Losing X amount of weight will not cause any medical issues" rather than the previous wording that was causing so many problems.

    Of course, he refused - but - he still wanted to refer me for the surgery.

    So he'd rather spend £5-£8k of NHS money sending me for surgery, with all the risks it entails, than write me a letter that could achieve the same results for free ..

    My one regret is that I didn't actually bring that particular point up with him at the time.

    At the end of our conversation, he did actually agree to write me a letter of support but he said it was highly unlikely that it would be worded in the way I want. I made one final plea for him to re-consider and left it there so we'll have to see what the postman brings.
    • k3lvc
    • By k3lvc 8th Aug 18, 5:55 PM
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    Does his response not show how unlikely it is that your method will get the results so he expects you to be back at some point in the future asking for the surgery ?

    Out of interest how much have you lost in the intervening 3 months ?
    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 8th Aug 18, 5:57 PM
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    Does his response not show how unlikely it is that your method will get the results so he expects you to be back at some point in the future asking for the surgery ?

    Out of interest how much have you lost in the intervening 3 months ?
    Originally posted by k3lvc
    A normal, calorie controlled diet with sensible exercise is a "method" ?

    I never asked for the surgery at any point, and I expressed some major reservations about it from the point he offered it as an option.

    I doubt i'd go back and ask for it at any point to be honest.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 8th Aug 18, 8:52 PM
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    A normal, calorie controlled diet with sensible exercise is a "method" ?

    I never asked for the surgery at any point, and I expressed some major reservations about it from the point he offered it as an option.

    I doubt i'd go back and ask for it at any point to be honest.
    Originally posted by jasonwatkins
    Are you going to respond to K3lvc's other question?
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    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 8th Aug 18, 9:33 PM
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    Are you going to respond to K3lvc's other question?
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    So they can triumphantly tell me that that is the reason I won't get what i want ?. No thanks - been there, done that.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 8th Aug 18, 11:53 PM
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    So they can triumphantly tell me that that is the reason I won't get what i want ?. No thanks - been there, done that.
    Originally posted by jasonwatkins
    Look I know you're fixated on getting this ruddy letter as you believe that this is the only way you're going to have the motivation to lose weight but in the meantime why not at least try the more conventional methods ?

    The end goal is the same surely so why cut your nose off ?

    I believe that you can be referred to slimming world by your gp for 12 weeks. That's the same length of time you've been procrastinating.

    If you join there's a Slimming world support thread on this board & you'd be more than welcome to join it
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    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 9th Aug 18, 8:26 AM
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    Look I know you're fixated on getting this ruddy letter as you believe that this is the only way you're going to have the motivation to lose weight but in the meantime why not at least try the more conventional methods ?

    The end goal is the same surely so why cut your nose off ?

    I believe that you can be referred to slimming world by your gp for 12 weeks. That's the same length of time you've been procrastinating.

    If you join there's a Slimming world support thread on this board & you'd be more than welcome to join it
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    Yes, I may be "fixated" on getting this letter, but that's driven, in part, by the fact that I believe i'm not being treated fairly due to the fact that so many other people - including practising GP's - are given the opportunity to do what i'm trying to do every year.

    It's also driven by the fact that the default position for many is "Well i've personally never heard of this, so I'm going to dismiss it out of hand and call it a stupid idea" which is usually followed by them imposing, or projecting, their idea of "normal" or "conventional" as the way I should be doing things rather than actually taking a minute to try and understand where i'm coming from and why I feel I should be able to do this.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 9th Aug 18, 12:51 PM
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    Jason


    I really don't know what to say.


    Yes I can understand that people have different motivators to lose weight - and that could be a variety of reasons including health, events or even (like me !) just being pi$$ed off that people were judging me for my size rather than for me. Yours seem to be winning a large amount of money by losing weight.


    However whatever the initial motivation, I wouldn't mind betting that the reason behind motivation to continue losing weight changes as weight drops off - I know mine has.


    If your GP & consultant aren't prepared to write this letter then something has to give....and it seems that they won't.


    So the question you have to ask yourself is your health so unimportant that you won't even try unless you get this letter?
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    • k3lvc
    • By k3lvc 9th Aug 18, 2:58 PM
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    So the question you have to ask yourself is your health so unimportant that you won't even try unless you get this letter?
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    The key motivation here, whatever is said, is money and most of us who've been in this situation know that it's really not a motivator. I can imagine doing it to win £2k then immediately rewarding myself with a £2k reward holiday and ending up back at square one.
    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 9th Aug 18, 3:09 PM
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    So the question you have to ask yourself is your health so unimportant that you won't even try unless you get this letter?
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    I've already explained in this thread that in a perfect world, I would "do it for my health" but, for me, it really isn't that black and white and to explain further would require me to reveal personal information that i'm simply not prepared to reveal on a public forum.
    • k3lvc
    • By k3lvc 9th Aug 18, 3:22 PM
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    I've already explained in this thread that in a perfect world, I would "do it for my health" but, for me, it really isn't that black and white and to explain further would require me to reveal personal information that i'm simply not prepared to reveal on a public forum.
    Originally posted by jasonwatkins
    In over 3 months you've not received the answer you want - there are many here who can offer constructive advice on weight loss success/failure but your circumstances are obviously exceptional and need an exceptional response. If you absolutely must have that letter there will be ways and means but it may cost you more than the potential financial gain if/when you're successful
    • jasonwatkins
    • By jasonwatkins 9th Aug 18, 8:13 PM
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    In over 3 months you've not received the answer you want - there are many here who can offer constructive advice on weight loss success/failure but your circumstances are obviously exceptional and need an exceptional response. If you absolutely must have that letter there will be ways and means but it may cost you more than the potential financial gain if/when you're successful
    Originally posted by k3lvc
    I've actually been trying to get a letter since January when I first had the offer.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 9th Aug 18, 9:12 PM
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    I've already explained in this thread that in a perfect world, I would "do it for my health" but, for me, it really isn't that black and white and to explain further would require me to reveal personal information that i'm simply not prepared to reveal on a public forum.
    Originally posted by jasonwatkins
    Unfortunately then there's very little we can do to help. I appreciate that you don't want to bare your soul but we can't force either your gp or your consultant to write that letter.

    We could, however, help & support you if you chose to go down the more conventional route but again can't force you to chose this route.
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    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 12th Aug 18, 1:39 PM
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    I've already explained in this thread that in a perfect world, I would "do it for my health" but, for me, it really isn't that black and white and to explain further would require me to reveal personal information that i'm simply not prepared to reveal on a public forum.
    Originally posted by jasonwatkins
    Going by your user name and your location, I'm not convinced there's much else you could reveal on a public forum that isn't easily available. Just those show somebody with that exact name and location winning £1200 for betting £50 they could lose 8st in 2011/12, putting most of it back on and trying again a second time in 2014/15 (and presumably not succeeding after losing just over 2 and a half stone out of the seven and a bit in the second bet).

    If you aren't just completely coincidentally a person with the same name, location and interest in gambling/weightloss, it appears that your medical team is trying to give you the help they feel you need for the benefit of your health, rather than what you want, because, although you can lose some weight when you decide (such as would be required for acceptance for weight loss surgery), what you have done hasn't been sustainable and even the prospect of another bet wasn't enough last time round.



    You've been offered help. Because they can see you need it. Why not consider taking that help, rather than fixate upon something that hasn't done you any favours in the long term and is unlikely to work, as you're proof that it hasn't?

    I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to be realistic. Your health is more important than a shoddy bet.
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 12th Aug 18, 2:25 PM
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    It doesn't matter whether Jason has done this before or not (though it may explain the medics' reluctance to write this letter).

    The important point is that Jason needs to lose weight for his health and seems only prepared to do it if there's a cash incentive
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    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 12th Aug 18, 2:53 PM
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    It doesn't matter whether Jason has done this before or not (though it may explain the medics' reluctance to write this letter).

    The important point is that Jason needs to lose weight for his health and seems only prepared to do it if there's a cash incentive
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    That's my entire point. Making it about cash is stopping him from doing it. Which isn't doing him any favours, because he's refusing medical advice from both specialist and GP and demanding that they write something in support of behaviour which in their expert opinion and knowledge of him, has not helped making sustainable changes on at least two occasions before.


    If he needs money, there are ways to earn it without endangering one's health (physical and mental) or getting hooked upon the buzz of potentially 'beating the bookie' and a bit of positive press attention.

    If he needs help to lose weight safely and permanently, there's the NHS for that.


    Putting such a specific set of restrictions upon losing weight merely puts it off for longer - potentially long enough to sustain permanent harm from morbid obesity. Which is not the result that anybody wants for the OP.
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 3:04 PM
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    Depends on whether that's my real name though, isn't it?
    Originally posted by Jojo the Tightfisted
    Ah, a pseudonym.. a pen name, just to throw people off track
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    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 12th Aug 18, 3:26 PM
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    Ah, a pseudonym.. a pen name, just to throw people off track
    Originally posted by fibonarchie
    Well, it's slightly more distinctive than, say, Sharon Johnson from Kilburn, isn't it?
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 4:12 PM
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    Well, it's slightly more distinctive than, say, Sharon Johnson from Kilburn, isn't it?
    Originally posted by Jojo the Tightfisted
    It's certainly got a Teutonic sound to it
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