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    • Katiemay26
    • By Katiemay26 17th Apr 18, 7:12 PM
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    Driving instructor charging for scrape on car
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    • 17th Apr 18, 7:12 PM
    Driving instructor charging for scrape on car 17th Apr 18 at 7:12 PM
    Hi. My daughter sat her driving test yesterday and she scraped the curb slightly while out. Her driving instructor is now saying she needs to pay for the damage to his alloy. Can he do this? I have never heard of this. I would of thought surely as an instructor if there is any damage by a student it would be covered by his insurance? Can anyone advise please. Thanks
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 17th Apr 18, 8:28 PM
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    Alloys and driving instruction do not mix well!
    Originally posted by Car 54
    But people like to learn in aspirational cars, so that little bit extra cost to the instructor gets a lot more business...


    Have you not noticed how many instructors use Minis and even 1-series?
    • Katiemay26
    • By Katiemay26 17th Apr 18, 8:40 PM
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    It is an audi. I have never heard of all the trouble we have had this week like advising a student to put in for test then saying near the time he will not let her sit it in his car unless she passes a mock test with him which then resulted in more lessons as she was nervous around him.
    This charging for scrape. We are so pleased to not have to go with him anymore but don't know where we stand with the scrape charge.
    My husband says he is a robbing b and is fuming and says not getting a penny more from us. We have paid over £1000 in lessons in about 6 months
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 17th Apr 18, 8:49 PM
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    She has had to do 2 he lessons at a time at a cost of £44 per lesson. She has had an extra 6 hrs of lessons this week as he was going to stop her sitting test in his car
    Originally posted by Katiemay26
    It sounds like he had a justified concern about letting her drive the car without him in it given that she damaged it when on test. However £400 is over the top when it can probably be refurbed for £75.
    • markudman
    • By markudman 17th Apr 18, 8:57 PM
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    It is an audi. I have never heard of all the trouble we have had this week like advising a student to put in for test then saying near the time he will not let her sit it in his car unless she passes a mock test with him which then resulted in more lessons as she was nervous around him.
    This charging for scrape. We are so pleased to not have to go with him anymore but don't know where we stand with the scrape charge.
    My husband says he is a robbing b and is fuming and says not getting a penny more from us. We have paid over £1000 in lessons in about 6 months
    Originally posted by Katiemay26
    how old is the car, and your hubby is right.
    also report him to TS
    Last edited by markudman; 17-04-2018 at 9:01 PM.
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • martinthebandit
    • By martinthebandit 17th Apr 18, 8:58 PM
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    Jog on and add her straight to the CUE database. Good luck with her getting insurance.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    How on Earth is it going to cause the daughter to be added to CUE's? It's the driving instructors insurance not the daughters.
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 17th Apr 18, 9:00 PM
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    How on Earth is it going to cause the daughter to be added to CUE's? It's the driving instructors insurance not the daughters.
    Originally posted by martinthebandit
    She was driving.
    • Katiemay26
    • By Katiemay26 17th Apr 18, 9:05 PM
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    She is a student though with a driving instructor and does not have insurance of her own at that point. I thought while a student is learning with an instructor it is there responsibility. You just sound mean to be making a comment like that as though she deserves trouble getting insured for a scrape on a wheel
    • iammumtoone
    • By iammumtoone 17th Apr 18, 9:09 PM
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    I would not pay him anything.

    Worst he can do it take you to small claims court. If the very worse happens and you lose (which I doubt) then all you have to do is pay up then, you won't have lost anything apart from your time to defend and show up.
    • kirmal12
    • By kirmal12 17th Apr 18, 9:20 PM
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    I think he needs to find himself a new job, surely a little damage is part of the course?. He'd be getting !!!!!! all out of me and how can he prove it was her when it comes down to it?. Unless he has real evidence tell him to get lost. Shouldn't he be pleased she's passed?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 17th Apr 18, 9:53 PM
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    She is a student though with a driving instructor and does not have insurance of her own at that point. I thought while a student is learning with an instructor it is there responsibility. You just sound mean to be making a comment like that as though she deserves trouble getting insured for a scrape on a wheel
    Originally posted by Katiemay26
    Whatís mean about it? If he claims and says she was driving sheíll be on the insurance database as having an at fault incident/accident.

    What do you think any insurance company will make of that is itís not declared when she is added to a policy or takes out her own?

    Surely negotiation and a smart repair off the books is worth consideration.
    • glentoran99
    • By glentoran99 17th Apr 18, 10:00 PM
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    She passed with only 3 minors. So pleased for her but this has put a dampener on it.
    Originally posted by Katiemay26
    You hit the kerb you fail, couldnít have been her then
    • glentoran99
    • By glentoran99 17th Apr 18, 10:01 PM
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    Jog on and add her straight to the CUE database. Good luck with her getting insurance.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Wonít affect her insurance in the slightest
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 17th Apr 18, 11:31 PM
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    You hit the kerb you fail, couldnít have been her then
    Originally posted by glentoran99
    That's a myth.

    A gentle nudge of the kerb will be marked as a minor fault. Hitting the kerb hard enough to endanger persons or damage property is serious or dangerous, and hence a fail. It's down to the examiner's judgement.

    As for insurance, the instructor is not going to claim. He'd have a fault claim on his record for a repair which will cost less than his excess.
    • stator
    • By stator 18th Apr 18, 12:27 AM
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    Some really dodgy instructors out there. I encountered one in Gloucestershire. Only an idiot driving instructor would use a car with alloy wheels and get upset if they are scuffed on the kerb.

    You need to flat out say "NO" to him. Refuse to pay. Refuse to even talk about paying. Don't enter into discussions. Don't try to be reasonable, just say NO, we're not paying. If you think you have a case, see you in court. End of matter.

    If he files in small claims court (99% sure he won't) then come back for advice on defending it. I think you'll win easily.
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    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 18th Apr 18, 1:36 AM
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    As everyone else on here, I'd tell him to jog on. Otherwise ask for a copy of the signed contract that says damage to wheels must be paid for. I doubt there is, I know I never signed anything when I was learning to drive.

    There is no law saying you have to do a mock test either, sounds like a total cowboy.
    • loskie
    • By loskie 18th Apr 18, 6:58 AM
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    if he is a franchisee or member of an accredited body, complain to them and just move on with life.
    Your word of mouth in not recommending him will do you no harm either.
    It's a shame to drag it out when your daughter should be chuffed she has passed.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 18th Apr 18, 7:45 AM
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    Wonít affect her insurance in the slightest
    Originally posted by glentoran99
    Young driver, recently passed a test and an at fault claim. Of course it wonít.
    • glentoran99
    • By glentoran99 18th Apr 18, 7:51 AM
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    Young driver, recently passed a test and an at fault claim. Of course it won!!!8217;t.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....


    She isn't claiming though she doesn't have insurance and she isn't at fault


    Whilst supervising a learner driver, supervisors are considered to be the person in control of the vehicle
    Last edited by glentoran99; 18-04-2018 at 7:57 AM.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 18th Apr 18, 8:03 AM
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    She isn't claiming though she doesn't have insuranceand she isn't at fault


    Whilst supervising a learner driver, supervisors are considered to be the person in control of the vehicle
    Originally posted by glentoran99
    She was at fault. She wasn't being supervised, she was on test, and the examiner does not act as a supervisor.

    The test is the only time when a learner driver does not need to be supervised [The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999, section 16(9).
    • markudman
    • By markudman 18th Apr 18, 9:47 AM
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    I think we are all missing the and i do not understand why some of you are defending a scammer, Shame on you.
    First how did he know she damaged the wheel? did he inspect the car before and after?
    If it was only a small Scrape, did he have a microscope or did he know it was already there?
    Did the trainee and the instructor walk round the car every time a lesson was taken?
    where is the contract that says if you damage my car you will pay for it?
    lets say you paid for a new wheel, how is he going to prove that he used all that money on the wheel?
    how many lessons does he do a day? does he and the trainee inspect the car all the time? does he allow a free period to check the car, or is that included in the hour?

    He has a lot to prove, tell him to go away.
    is he a one man operation or is he a franchise?
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
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