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    • MysteryMan
    • By MysteryMan 26th Oct 17, 2:17 PM
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    MysteryMan
    HSL Smart Market System - Any Views?
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    • 26th Oct 17, 2:17 PM
    HSL Smart Market System - Any Views? 26th Oct 17 at 2:17 PM
    Not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, but, here goes.....

    Has anybody got any experience/views of the HSL Smart Market System? It is a set of software tools for trading shares on stock market.

    Any views would be appreciated and, in particular, if anyone has any idea of how much the system costs to buy into and what is the minimum sort of investments you need to make it worthwhile.

    Yes, I could call them, but, would be helpful to know this without having a hard-sell salesman on the other end of phone!

    Last edited by MysteryMan; 26-10-2017 at 2:19 PM.
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    • clubconsoles
    • By clubconsoles 4th Apr 18, 11:29 PM
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    clubconsoles
    See below, strike of has been suspended. Info direct for companies house website-

    "24 Mar 2018 Compulsory strike-off action has been suspended
    View PDF Compulsory strike-off action has been suspended - link opens in a new window - 1 page (1 page)
    13 Mar 2018 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off
    View PDF First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off - link opens in a new window - 1 page (1 page)"
    • AdamW61
    • By AdamW61 5th Apr 18, 4:24 PM
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    AdamW61
    I found this forum via a google search. The last couple of days has brought the number here ripped off to 5. That's at least 25k. Suggest we keep posting so we can drive more traffic about HSL to get us over the 100k.
    • scaredofdebt
    • By scaredofdebt 11th Apr 18, 11:08 AM
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    scaredofdebt
    I think Companies House needs to tighten up the critera for people setting up businesses! It's crazy how easy it is to do this (fraudulently) when you consider the hoops the public need to go through to open a bank account etc.

    Good luck to getting your money back guys.
    Make 2018 in 2018 Challenge - Total to date 1,099
    • RSJ001
    • By RSJ001 12th Apr 18, 10:10 AM
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    RSJ001
    I joined AUG 2017 - and after 6 months trading with a loss I tried to get my money back on their promises, if I did not make a profit after 6 months trading.
    There is none that will reply to your emails or phone calls - I had invested 3500.00 into the system and would like to assist where I can to get our funds back as a group.
    • fwor
    • By fwor 12th Apr 18, 11:02 AM
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    fwor
    You should proceed on the assumption that the money is gone. It's fairly obvious from the red flags about lack of contact info, overseas company registration, and "hidden" domain registration that they were putting quite a lot of work in from early on to make sure that they could drop the UK entity and vanish.

    Even if you find someone to take to a UK court - which seems unlikely - it's highly probable that they will have no assets of any value.

    The only hope, I suspect, is if you paid for the "product" by credit card.
    • kisscos
    • By kisscos 12th Apr 18, 12:06 PM
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    kisscos
    Mr Michael Greenwood
    Hi,
    I have been using this system since last July, using 2k funding, and have never made a profit.
    I have in fact lost over 200.
    I have been trying to contact them since middle of last week, but no response.Please add me to your list of creditors.
    I paid 4950 to HSL, 799 to Value Stock Data, (part of HSL) to get the daily reports, and registered with X-O to trade.
    I will also contact Action Fraud, and the FCA.
    Pls advise further.
    Thanks,
    Mike.
    • clubconsoles
    • By clubconsoles 12th Apr 18, 11:52 PM
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    clubconsoles
    hmmm.......now up to 7 people whom have lost money!
    I urge anyone who was using the system to make themselves known by posting on this thread.
    Has anyone else came across any negative reviews other than these MSE ones?
    Surely, i cannot be the only person whom used a credit card for part of the purchase?
    • kestrel17
    • By kestrel17 13th Apr 18, 1:01 PM
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    kestrel17
    HSL Smart Master
    Hi,
    Make that 8......yes feel like I have a donkey head on at the moment!!
    I "joined" in Nov last year, using 2k funding, making a loss of around 250 since then....
    I did have regular contact with them until last week ...but now line is dead but line is now dead ie 0800 090 3248(helpline).
    I paid 4950 to HSL, 799 to Value Stock Data, (lifetime membership!) to get the daily feed, and then registered with my bank to trade...

    I will also contact Action Fraud, and the FCA.

    Please add me to the list of creditors.

    NB I did initially pay a 100 deposit via credit card so maybe that could help. I did dig around a bit as well before paying up the balance...looking back was something I should have stayed away from.
    • fwor
    • By fwor 13th Apr 18, 1:45 PM
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    fwor
    Just be aware (if you are not already) that posting about being a victim here may make you a target for a "scam funds recovery scam" - where they ask for money to recover your money.

    Needless to say, you will generally never hear from them again once you have paid their "administration fee"...
    • clubconsoles
    • By clubconsoles 14th Apr 18, 6:40 PM
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    clubconsoles
    Kestrel17
    Very sorry to hear you have been made to look a Donkey, fact is, we have all had the same misfortune!
    10% deposit on a credit card will give you the green light to do a S75 claim for a 1000 which you should be entitled to!!!
    I know it is only part of your money back but a 1000 is better than nothing.
    Thanks for posting!!
    • clubconsoles
    • By clubconsoles 14th Apr 18, 6:58 PM
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    clubconsoles
    fwor
    thanks for your timely Warning!
    I think it is highly unlikely that any on here will get caught out again!
    i will always answer my phone but vow never to make an Investment from any cold call again.
    I should have known not being FCA registered and still investing was such a foolish thing to do.
    However, they were SO convincing, I fell for it.
    I watched the Paul Connolly program on Channel 5 several days ago.
    the HSL System is the classic "Boiler Room" Scam.
    seems to be far more prevelent with land and property!
    Just like HSL you get a glossy Brochure, telling you how they have the greatest money making scheme!
    However, instead of of few thousand pounds these Criminals milk HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS out of innocent Victims.
    One unfortunate young Lady informed us that even her Solicitor was convinced by the professional looking Marketing material and bogus Claims!
    That's how sophisticated these SCAMs have become now!

    Hopefully, lots of people are reading this and will take heed of the Crooks waiting to sell you the next Scam.

    One final word, The Program mentioned that anybody whom had been successfully "Boiler Room" Scammed was likely to be contacted again in the future as their details will now be on a "SuckerLlist"
    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
    • Jethro Black
    • By Jethro Black 16th Apr 18, 11:43 AM
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    Jethro Black
    I've just made a blogg on Blogger under Jethro Black about HSL. I have been with the company for 5 months. Bought their programme and was told that it cold make 30,000 in two years with an initial investment of 2000. The programme cost 2000. I was given a guarantee that if after 12 months I did not gain the cost of the programme (5000) I would be refunded.

    I was also told that it had a 70% success rate. Well, After 5 months I have lost more than 500 so there is no way I will make 5000 in the next 7 months. Not only that but they did not reply to my letters for the last two weeks and this morning I called their office on the two numbers and both were invalid. So they have run off. Probably quite a few people have lost money. The Programme analysis the last Share price of the day each day of nearly 1040 stocks. Yet still it gets it wrong and the top 5 or 6 stocks which should produce a good profit 90% of the time fail and you lose 5%.

    Anyone else been scammed by this company please let me know.
    • clubconsoles
    • By clubconsoles 16th Apr 18, 4:30 PM
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    clubconsoles
    Hi Jethro black
    do you have a link for your blog, could find nothing on Google??
    Is the blog on this site??
    • Pauld1970
    • By Pauld1970 16th Apr 18, 4:32 PM
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    Pauld1970
    I am afraid that I am another one that can be added to the scammed list. I signed up last August, had regular contact but have had radio silence for the last week.

    Like others I had paid 4950 to HSL and 799 to Value Stock Data. I am working on the basis that this will not be recoverable but happy to take advise from any people with more knowledge than myself. It is the first time I had got involved in any investments, so it is all very regrettable.

    We live and hopefully learn.
    • kit26
    • By kit26 16th Apr 18, 5:32 PM
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    kit26
    Hi, you can add me to the list also I joined HSL in November then decide I didn't want to proceed so cancelled my order and was told a refund wouldn't be a problem, over the next few months I had many email conversations and I was promised my refund was to be sent after 4 months I decide to make a court judgement against them which has been served ,but today I have found out that the company highway software Ltd has been dissolved and they longer have an office in 40 bank st.

    So it looks like I have also lost 4950........I paid the 495 by credit card so hopefully I can get this back.

    How many people spoke with people like Austin in support and William Patterson and Scott Taylor?disgusting people who are sealing peoples hard earned money.

    live and learn hey
    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 16th Apr 18, 5:43 PM
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    Browntoa
    HSL market system is a scam
    Moving thread to praise,vent and warnings
    I'm the Board Guide of the Referrers ,Telephones, Pensions , Shop Don't drop ,over 50's and Discount Code boards which means I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum runnning smoothly .However, please remember, board guides don't read every post. If you spot an inappropriate or illegal post please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.
    • dacouch
    • By dacouch 16th Apr 18, 7:54 PM
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    dacouch
    I did some installation work either at this company or one operating a similar scam a couple of years ago.

    I will happily give out the address via ddm of their sales office via dm (Obviously it may have changed since then).

    When I get time I will post some of the things I heard them tell customers.

    They have 8+ salesmen and make many sales a day.

    They have two different intercom doors you need to go through as I assume they want to buy time if they are ever raided.

    The claims I heard them make are ridiculous but in the context of the very high pressure sales tactics they will fool many
    • Owena1
    • By Owena1 18th Apr 18, 12:31 PM
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    Owena1
    I to have been had.
    Paid 3k to HSL in October last year. My portfolio hasn't been doing anywhere near what i was expecting....
    Now suddenly they've vanished.
    Telephone number says incorrect etc..
    I'm fumming to say the least.
    I've been in contact with the FCA.. and Action Fraud next.
    I paid it via bank transfer. Do i got to the bank about it....
    With thanks
    • fwor
    • By fwor 18th Apr 18, 2:21 PM
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    fwor
    I paid it via bank transfer. Do i got to the bank about it....
    Originally posted by Owena1
    You could try - but it's very very unlikely you will get anywhere. Banks do not vet bank transfers, so they won't take responsibility for your actions.

    It may be possible to take legal action against HSL (or to take part in a form of class action as a group) but if HSL are any good at the business of scamming, they will have made sure that any remaining company assets are out of reach of the UK legal system.
    • Barry Atkinson
    • By Barry Atkinson 18th Apr 18, 6:20 PM
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    Barry Atkinson
    MR Barry Atkinson
    I bough this system Sept 2017 after reading good reviews and thought it would be a very good investment tool. To my dismay since Monday the 9th of April I have had no contact from my account manager and cannot get through to their London Offices.
    i would urge anyone who is having the same problem to get in tough via the forum. After investing over 5000 on the software and the data package after six months of very good support it is now non existent -so what on earth is going on?
    I need people to come forward so we can try restitution legally if this does not improve !
    Barry Atkinson
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