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    • duffyscouse
    • By duffyscouse 14th Apr 18, 12:00 PM
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    PCN - help wanted please
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    • 14th Apr 18, 12:00 PM
    PCN - help wanted please 14th Apr 18 at 12:00 PM
    Hi
    I recently picked up a PCN from an IPC approved body (VCS) - I dont dispute parking in the spot BUT the signs state I can park for 30 minutes FREE of charge. However the shop that is closest to the signs (and the one the seemingly enforces everything and has the ANPR cameras attached) states on IT's door I can park there as a customer for up to 1 hour.

    I parked up and went to the NEXT DOOR Indian restaurant to pick up my takeaway. They have displayed an APNR image of my car taken at 20:41 on March 21st 2018. The ensuing pictures are taken by the officer at 20:44 (they have me on them too and my curry in the passenger seat) So thats 3 minutes total I parked for. I actually went into the store and made a purchase as the officer continued to take photos - I have a till receipt (Quick thinking) with correct date BUT it states 7.07 (I have been back and the till is now 3 hours out - guess BST has kicked in - I have this as video evidence) - it is Not my fault the till is out !

    Importantly despite the till receipt Im still within the 30 or 60 minute allowed free time !

    I appealed to VCS but they state "they are unable to accept my appeal, main reason(s) being : - parking for use of customers only (I was a customer ???). The patrol officer observed the driver park the vehicle and leave the site, when leaving the site they ceased to be a customer of the store/s on site and as such contrary to the advertised T&C's "

    I went to the Indian NEXT DOOR tot he shop and it nowhere states which order I have to visit the shops !

    I have a recording taken yesterday whilst buying water that I challenge the times on the till receipt (now 3 hours out) and the shop owner supports this on the recording - I also asked him (and on the recording) - and he confirmed I can park for an hour and visit the shop(s) in ANY order - I actually asked could I visit the next door but one chemist first and then his shop and he assented.

    VCS requested my claim - what do you guys suggest please ??
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Apr 18, 12:20 PM
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    • 14th Apr 18, 12:20 PM
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    • 14th Apr 18, 12:20 PM
    IGNORE unless you get court papers within 6 years
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 14th Apr 18, 12:40 PM
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    • 14th Apr 18, 12:40 PM
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    • 14th Apr 18, 12:40 PM
    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 14th Apr 18, 2:05 PM
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    • 14th Apr 18, 2:05 PM
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    • 14th Apr 18, 2:05 PM
    "Officer" what officer he is an incentivised Muppet working for scammers, you are affording these idiots too much credence.

    Of course they rejected your appeal, they are only interested in money, if this ever got to court I would think the judge would laugh at them. In any case the leaving site scam is generally not pursued for reasons I am tired of quoting, but have a chuckle at this:

    http://www.davidmarq.com/bama/VCS%20v%20Ibottson.pdf
    • duffyscouse
    • By duffyscouse 12th Jun 18, 9:28 PM
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    • 12th Jun 18, 9:28 PM
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    • 12th Jun 18, 9:28 PM
    Got another invoice for 100 - sent more evidence and contested they knocked it all back - I told them I'd see them in court - what do you reckon are my chances ?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jun 18, 11:16 PM
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    • 12th Jun 18, 11:16 PM
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    • 12th Jun 18, 11:16 PM
    99% likely to win any defended court claim if you stick around and take advice throughout, like all posters here who do exactly that right up to the hearing.

    In 2017 only 2 well defended cases assisted and coached fully on this forum, were lost.

    So far this year, I have a note of two lost, to date (and one was because the wife insisted on admitting she was driving in a case that would have been won on 'no keeper liability' with a Judge who we knew had allowed one weeks before and understood the POFA).

    In that time (18 months) we have assisted with waaaay more than 500 cases so the 99% win rate continues, even if a couple more were lost who didn't report the outcome. Losses are extremely rare here; you could not be in a better place than this forum.

    And a claim is no biggie, no risk, no CCJ, as long as you don't ignore or miss court papers/directions.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 12-06-2018 at 11:19 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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