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    • pinkteapot
    • By pinkteapot 12th Apr 18, 2:53 PM
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    Changing leaded glass in uPVC to plain wouldn't put buyers off, right?
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    • 12th Apr 18, 2:53 PM
    Changing leaded glass in uPVC to plain wouldn't put buyers off, right? 12th Apr 18 at 2:53 PM
    Our house is a 1990 build with modern uPVC double glazing (dark brown wood effect frames). The glass is leaded (diamond pattern). I hate it - I feel like a zoo animal looking through a fence. I'm currently getting quotes to replace all the sealed units - 39 of them - with plain glass instead.

    This won't massively put buyers off, right?

    I'm hoping it's one of those things where some people prefer plain, some people prefer leaded, so you'll never suit everyone.

    One of the guys who came to quote said he does more jobs changing plain to leaded! I know leaded is more expensive - is it seen as 'better'?

    In general, I do what *I* want with the house (within reason!), but this will be a pretty significant outlay for something that certainly won't add any value. Just want to make sure it won't lose us any.
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    • Niv
    • By Niv 12th Apr 18, 2:55 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 2:55 PM
    Are you looking to sell the house in the near future?
    if no, who cares, YOU don't want to feel like a zoo animal
    if yes, why are you changing it.
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    • Surrey_EA
    • By Surrey_EA 12th Apr 18, 2:55 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 2:55 PM

    I'm hoping it's one of those things where some people prefer plain, some people prefer leaded, so you'll never suit everyone.
    Originally posted by pinkteapot
    There's your answer.
    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 12th Apr 18, 2:58 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 2:58 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 2:58 PM
    Are the houses around you all leaded? Will yours stand out like a sore thumb?
    • victoriavictorious
    • By victoriavictorious 12th Apr 18, 3:04 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:04 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:04 PM
    Why on earth would you bother and incur all that unnecessary cost, as it seems you plan to sell?
    Worst case scenario if your buyers prefer plain glass, they can just get it done themselves. Not exactly a deal breaker.
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 12th Apr 18, 3:08 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:08 PM
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Apr 18, 3:21 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:21 PM
    My own personal opinion is that I groan a bit when I spot "fancy" type glass in upvc frames. That applies whether it's that "diamond" type stuff or a "design".

    Either way I hate it personally and would be looking to replace it if it was there in a house I bought.

    Back in starter house - and I remember looking at some windows that had just been replaced in the first place with upvc ones on a neighbours house and thinking "Why on earth did he do 'design' type ones? It will decrease his house value - as people like myself would instantly mentally factor in the cost of replacing them with plain ones".

    So I personally regard "designs" and "diamonds" as being a bit chavvy. Others may disagree. To me - plain is the obvious way to go.

    On my current house - the windows/doors aren't quite what I would have chosen (ie white plastic window handles - instead of those silvery ones). Also the integral glass in exterior doors is "fancier/more old-fashioned" than I would have chosen. But they weren't so obviously "not Me" that I swopped them. But the firm that did some other upvc-ing work on my house looked at me, then looked at my house and instantly offered to swop exterior door handles from "brass type ones" to "silver type ones" and I promptly accepted.

    So - if you can afford to swop them - it will help imo. Just not sure whether you'll get your money back from doing so. But you certainly won't devalue the house.
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    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 12th Apr 18, 3:23 PM
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    I totally get the leaded look being like a cage.

    When we were looking to buy it was all the rage and I walked away from so many houses because I didn't like it and didn't have the funds to change it.

    My advise would be if it's your forever home and you don't plan to sell in the next few years then do as you want and make the house your way.
    You will probably end up spending on something that has little or no value except for the peace of your own mind that you have an unobscured view from your windows!
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    • 3mph
    • By 3mph 12th Apr 18, 3:26 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:26 PM
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:26 PM
    We had those type of windows in our previous house ("Rosewood" sort of colour and lead strips in diamond pattern). Some people changed them to white and plain, some to "Oak" colour but both looked a bit ridiculous next to the adjacent houses.

    If you are going to sell don't waste your money.
    If you are staying then its your choice.
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 12th Apr 18, 3:26 PM
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    Who actually likes that design? I'm certain it must be a small minority. It would put me off a house for the same reason you have identified. If you're staying a few years, I'd do it.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 12th Apr 18, 3:28 PM
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    I don't think leaded windows are more desirable at all, are they not a bit of a late 80s/early 90s fad like mock tudor on suburban semis?
    • pinkteapot
    • By pinkteapot 12th Apr 18, 3:38 PM
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    Our is a 1990 mock-Tudor suburban house. Houses around us a mixture of styles (not all mock-Tudor) and not all the mock-Tudor ones still have leaded glass (though probably more do than not).

    Sorry - should have clarified - no plans to sell, or we definitely wouldn't be doing it. It's not a house we'll be in for life though.

    Thanks all - confirmed what I thought.
    • pinklady21
    • By pinklady21 12th Apr 18, 4:49 PM
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    If you hate the windows that much, why did you buy the house? Did you already factor in the cost of changing the windows?

    I hate nasty upvc mock leaded windows too, and it would put me off even looking at a place, far less buying it! That said, if everything else about the house worked for me, then windows can always be changed at a price......
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Apr 18, 5:12 PM
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    You've just said you won't be in it for life though - so personally I think you'll be wasting your money to spend that much on a house and it's not worth the spend for anything other than a Forever Home house.

    Each to their own....but it wouldnt be my judgement and I'd just grit my teeth and look at them personally (albeit groaning as I did so).
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    • Slithery
    • By Slithery 12th Apr 18, 5:29 PM
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    One of the guys who came to quote said he does more jobs changing plain to leaded! I know leaded is more expensive - is it seen as 'better'?
    Originally posted by pinkteapot
    Surely in that case he can do the opposite for you incredibly cheaply. Take the clear units from another job he's done and then use your leaded units for someone else
    Last edited by Slithery; 12-04-2018 at 6:13 PM.
    • goodwithsaving
    • By goodwithsaving 12th Apr 18, 5:29 PM
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    I can't stand leaded windows and would want to change them too. It depends how many there are. My windows are still okay but are very old and the seals are starting to go. I'm changing them now.
    Same in previous places I've lived in where I ended up moving shortly after. Do I regret spending 3-4k on windows just before selling? No. New windows would be a big bonus if I was buying somewhere.
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    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 12th Apr 18, 5:38 PM
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    Massive waste of money unless the units have, or are about to fail - surely you can think of something better to spend it on?!?

    But if you've got tens of thousands of pounds burning a uPVC shaped hole in your pocket you could consider replacing the windows on the back and sides of the house to the ones you want, whilst leaving the front ones as they are, thus retaining the same visual style as the rest of the street.
    • dunroving
    • By dunroving 12th Apr 18, 6:06 PM
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    The house I'm in the process of purchasing has leaded UPVC windows, but the square lead shape, not diamond shape.

    I don't mind the square ones too much but don't especially like the diamond ones.

    The house next door has plain glass, but they are a really cheap-looking UPVC window frame shape, with no opening windows. Compared to their windows, I don't mind "my" leaded new windows at all.
    (Nearly) dunroving
    • ancientofdays
    • By ancientofdays 12th Apr 18, 6:11 PM
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    I don't like mock leaded windows but I don't think I'd bother changing them when selling. Actually I don't like UPVC windows one bit.
    I was jumping to conclusions and one of them jumped back
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 12th Apr 18, 6:24 PM
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    I don't like the mock leading either and a few of our neighbours coming up to their second replacement since the houses were new have had plain glass again, except where they have a solid door with coloured glass pattern.


    I don't like old genuine leading either as it is irregular but the only choice in old times as they didn't know how to make plate glass.
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