Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • denz1968
    • By denz1968 12th Apr 18, 11:30 AM
    • 48Posts
    • 12Thanks
    denz1968
    NCP PCN to Keeper
    • #1
    • 12th Apr 18, 11:30 AM
    NCP PCN to Keeper 12th Apr 18 at 11:30 AM
    Hi there


    Just looking for some advice


    The keeper of one of our cars has received a PCN from NCP for "parked longer than the time paid for and liability for the same having brought to the attention of the driver by clear signage in and around the site at the time of parking"


    The driver on the day did forget to put a ticket on the car, but went back and was told by an NCP attendant that as long as the ticket was put on before midday there wouldn't be a problem. A ticket was purchased at 11:25am and duly put in the vehicle as per the NCP attendants advice.


    We have now received the PCN.
    Date of offence 24/03/2018
    Date of sending notice 09/04/2018
    Date of receiving notice 11/04/2018


    Does the 14 day rule apply here?


    Also with the advice given from the NCP attendant what is our best course of action. We aren't paying it, but do we appeal and not pay, or just do not pay.


    I do intend visiting the car park to get photographs of what I am sure is their very unclear signage.


    Thanks in advance
Page 1
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 12th Apr 18, 11:53 AM
    • 18,902 Posts
    • 29,775 Thanks
    Umkomaas
    • #2
    • 12th Apr 18, 11:53 AM
    • #2
    • 12th Apr 18, 11:53 AM
    Does the 14 day rule apply here?
    Yes - they're out of time to hold the keeper liable. It does not invalidate the ticket per se.

    So you appeal using the template in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1. Do not add or change anything in the template to avoid any danger of revealing the identity of the driver. Get your POPLA Code and your appeal to POPLA will win on the basis of 'No Keeper Liability'.

    Also with the advice given from the NCP attendant what is our best course of action.
    Do a Google search on 'Promissory Estoppel'. But the 'no keeper liability' is your ace card.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • denz1968
    • By denz1968 12th Apr 18, 12:39 PM
    • 48 Posts
    • 12 Thanks
    denz1968
    • #3
    • 12th Apr 18, 12:39 PM
    • #3
    • 12th Apr 18, 12:39 PM
    Yes - they're out of time to hold the keeper liable. It does not invalidate the ticket per se.

    So you appeal using the template in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1. Do not add or change anything in the template to avoid any danger of revealing the identity of the driver. Get your POPLA Code and your appeal to POPLA will win on the basis of 'No Keeper Liability'.


    Do a Google search on 'Promissory Estoppel'. But the 'no keeper liability' is your ace card.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas


    Thanks for the quick response. On my way now to appeal with the template....
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 12th Apr 18, 1:41 PM
    • 18,902 Posts
    • 29,775 Thanks
    Umkomaas
    • #4
    • 12th Apr 18, 1:41 PM
    • #4
    • 12th Apr 18, 1:41 PM
    You could just add the following final couple of paragraphs.

    As your Notice to Keeper has been given outside of the 'relevant period' prescribed in Schedule 4, paragraph 9 (5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, you are in no legal position to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for this charge. As I will not be providing you with the driver's name and address for service (as is my right), I suggest you cancel this charge with immediate effect.

    Should you continue to pursue me, despite the above warning, I will immediately raise complaints about your conduct with both the British Parking Association and the DVLA.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • denz1968
    • By denz1968 12th Apr 18, 2:51 PM
    • 48 Posts
    • 12 Thanks
    denz1968
    • #5
    • 12th Apr 18, 2:51 PM
    • #5
    • 12th Apr 18, 2:51 PM
    thanks, appeal submitted
    • denz1968
    • By denz1968 27th Apr 18, 7:42 AM
    • 48 Posts
    • 12 Thanks
    denz1968
    • #6
    • 27th Apr 18, 7:42 AM
    • #6
    • 27th Apr 18, 7:42 AM
    Appeal decision received yesterday.


    Thanks to Umkomaas I won the appeal quite easily at the first attempt. I didn't even put in about the extras as I had submitted the appeal when you posted those.


    So massive thanks and to anyone getting an alleged fine, fight it following this forums guidelines
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 27th Apr 18, 9:37 AM
    • 3,115 Posts
    • 3,834 Thanks
    nosferatu1001
    • #7
    • 27th Apr 18, 9:37 AM
    • #7
    • 27th Apr 18, 9:37 AM
    Nicely done - can you post the full decision?
    • denz1968
    • By denz1968 27th Apr 18, 10:14 AM
    • 48 Posts
    • 12 Thanks
    denz1968
    • #8
    • 27th Apr 18, 10:14 AM
    • #8
    • 27th Apr 18, 10:14 AM
    Nicely done - can you post the full decision?
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001

    Dear Mrs ...... ,




    Re: Parking Charge Notice Number ZP!!!8230;!!!8230;!!!8230;.. (Vehicle: .......... )


    Site: Boston Market Place

    Issue date: 09/04/2018



    Further to your appeal received on 12/04/2018 regarding the above Parking Charge Notice.


    Your appeal has been reviewed and has been considered in conjunction with the evidence gathered by our Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras,which record your entry and exit times. Having considered the content of your letter we are prepared on this occasion to cancel this notice.




    Thank you for taking the time to contact us in regards to this notice and I am sorry for any inconvenience this notice has caused you.



    Yours sincerely,


    Appeals Department


    National Car Parks Ltd.


    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Apr 18, 11:22 AM
    • 60,111 Posts
    • 73,243 Thanks
    Coupon-mad
    • #9
    • 27th Apr 18, 11:22 AM
    • #9
    • 27th Apr 18, 11:22 AM
    LOL, another one bites the dust! WELL DONE!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • denz1968
    • By denz1968 27th Apr 18, 12:16 PM
    • 48 Posts
    • 12 Thanks
    denz1968
    LOL, another one bites the dust! WELL DONE!
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad




    Thanks very much especially for all the advice here
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

395Posts Today

5,315Users online

Martin's Twitter
  • Ta ta... for now. This August, as I try and do every few yrs, I'm lucky enough to be taking a sabbatical. No work,? https://t.co/Xx4R3eLhFG

  • RT @lethalbrignull: @MartinSLewis I've been sitting here for a good while trying to decide my answer to this, feeling grateful for living i?

  • Early days but currently it's exactly 50 50 in liberality v democracy, with younger people more liberal, older more? https://t.co/YwJr4izuIj

  • Follow Martin