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    • Madness21
    • By Madness21 12th Apr 18, 3:23 AM
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    Madness21
    Deposit paid on cat c car
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    • 12th Apr 18, 3:23 AM
    Deposit paid on cat c car 12th Apr 18 at 3:23 AM
    Don't mind the time this is being posted, can't sleep, non related.

    So last Saturday I went to view a fiesta 1.25 style from an independent dealership. The car seemed nice, only really test drove for 5 minutes in an industrial estate after my dad drove around. I obviously liked it which is why I put down the deposit. The dealer even offered delivery, since it's my first car and there's a bypass between here and there and I'm not comfortable yet.

    There was obvious damage to the front and back bumpers; front bumper loose and held on with zip ties, and a dent in the back bumper. Another problem was the boot not opening due to the dent in the rear. It needed new brakes too, which were making a loud sound when coming to a stop.

    NOW, I would have walked away from this car, but the dealer said that everything would be sorted before it gets to me. I asked several times just to be crystal clear. The car will get a new front bumper, the back bumper will be sorted, brakes sorted, a wash, and a fresh 12 month MOT.

    I checked the MOT history, to see if it passed the MOT, but by God it failed massively. This set alarm bells ringing and I paid for a car history check, which I should have done in the first place. Turns out it was written off twice. 2015 and 2017 both cat C.

    What should I do?

    Car was advertised at 1795 I asked to work off of 1500 which was instantly accepted. Deposit was 200 cash.

    He'll accept Bank transfer for the remaining 1300 upon delivery, would that have some sort of protection? should I ask for a further reduction? Should I cut my losses and run?

    Picture of the MOT failure
    [IMG]imgur.com/a/JOxmu[/IMG]
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    • Madness21
    • By Madness21 12th Apr 18, 5:17 PM
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    Madness21
    Just spoke with them, the woman who works there said the gaffer says it's fine if I just pop down tomorrow.

    Seemed too easy.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 12th Apr 18, 5:23 PM
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    To be fair that's not a bad fail list for any car, let alone a 12 ear old Fiesta. Pretty obvious that they put it in to see what needed doing, then did the work - which makes perfect sense.

    The history is also pretty clean, with the only possible "ongoing" issue being the juddering, then imbalanced, front brakes in 2011, 13 and 14. That was most likely a sticking caliper that was freed up, lasted a couple of years, and started giving problems again. Seeing as it hasn't recurred in the last 4 years, whatever the issue it was obviously sorted properly in the end.

    That said, you SHOULD have been informed of the Cat C status without having to find it out for yourself.

    If you're not happy with the previous cat C then back out, but don't let the perfectly normal and minor (and corrected) fail points or the impressively clean test history worry you too much!
    • Madness21
    • By Madness21 12th Apr 18, 9:11 PM
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    I'm always a bit skeptical. But I'm not too sure here.

    He could have gotten a dodgy mot. I hear they're easy to get if you know the right people.

    On the other hand, they genuinely might not have known; being a low value car they might have thought it's pointless getting the check themselves. And the mot could be genuine, no advisories.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 12th Apr 18, 9:21 PM
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    I'm always a bit skeptical. But I'm not too sure here.

    He could have gotten a dodgy mot. I hear they're easy to get if you know the right people.
    Originally posted by Madness21
    A dodgy MOT wouldn't normally come with a fail sheet and retest.
    • Madness21
    • By Madness21 12th Apr 18, 9:25 PM
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    So how would I verify that with the dealer when I give him a visit tomorrow?
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 13th Apr 18, 12:31 AM
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    So how would I verify that with the dealer when I give him a visit tomorrow?
    Originally posted by Madness21
    You can see online that the

    "MOT valid until 11 April 2019"

    https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/

    • Madness21
    • By Madness21 13th Apr 18, 9:31 AM
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    I can see online that it failed the day before, it doesn't verify it's a retest at the same place.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 13th Apr 18, 9:45 AM
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    No reason for the dealer to pay for a dodgy mot to bypass that fail. Everything in it is easy and cheap to sort out!!
    Plus even a dodgy dealer wouldn't get a fail sheet then pay a premium for somebody to pass it. They'd just incriminate themselves and the dodgy mot station.
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 13th Apr 18, 10:29 AM
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    On the other hand, they genuinely might not have known; being a low value car they might have thought it's pointless getting the check themselves. And the mot could be genuine, no advisories.
    Originally posted by Madness21
    HPI checks cost dealers peanuts (cheap enough that my local will do them for me for free), and the cat marker will mean he's paid almost nothing for it. Ditto for the MOT, so the dealer knew it's history.

    It could now have a genuine pass, as said it's a list of trivial items, or it could have been bodged enough to get it through the MOT, or it's now got a dodgy MOT.

    Bear in mind that even assuming he paid 100 for it, he's only got 1400 to repair it, get it on the road and make some profit. He's not going to be spending a penny more on it than he needs to.

    I'd still be walking away; 1500 will get you something that doesn't have the boot opening issue (and underlying damage) and hasn't been written off twice.

    Or at the least, I'd be getting a garage of your choosing to have a good look underneath it for any accident damage/repairs.
    • Madness21
    • By Madness21 13th Apr 18, 10:48 AM
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    I got the deposit back, it was sitting there waiting. Shook the guys hand for giving it straight back with no trouble at all. Cheers guys
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 13th Apr 18, 2:38 PM
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    Good stuff
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