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    • Mistermeaner
    • By Mistermeaner 10th Apr 18, 8:52 PM
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    Mersey flow runcorn ; anyone successfully appealed
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    • 10th Apr 18, 8:52 PM
    Mersey flow runcorn ; anyone successfully appealed 10th Apr 18 at 8:52 PM
    Anyone been successful in appealing on a technicality?

    Totally forgot to pay .... 2 trips as well

    Oops
    Left is never right but I always am.
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    • Mistermeaner
    • By Mistermeaner 12th Apr 18, 4:35 PM
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    Fyi I!!!8217;ve paid the two fines today (total 44quid) and then submitted a representation asking for the fine element (40 quid) to be refunded on the basis that this was paid under duress and it my understanding that signage is unclear and that as per recent media coverage there are procedural issues with the basis of charging and subsequent fines

    Will let you know how I get on
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    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 12th Apr 18, 7:58 PM
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    Is it time for your friend's parents to stop driving?
    Originally posted by Head The Ball
    No idea.

    As another poster has said, even when they looked for the signs they found them difficult to see. IIRC there has been a fine overturned because the signage wasn't clear enough.

    Personally, I don't think the signage is great, but I think it's adequate, but then again, I can't remember about the signage the first few times I went over it. Now after about 270 crossings, I can list all the signs locations! If I compare the signage on the Runcorn bridge to that of the M6 toll, there's no comparison, M6 toll signs are far clearer.
    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 12th Apr 18, 8:01 PM
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    ok, not quite so bad, but would you have to go online to find that out??

    ...or possibly cause an accident on/near the bridge by stopping the car to read the small signs and jot down the payment methods
    Originally posted by GunJack

    Yes you would have to go online. There are no signs telling you that you can pay by phone or in person.
    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 12th Apr 18, 8:04 PM
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    And in that time, more than 10m vehicles have used the Gateway bridge, together with 80k/day over the Jubilee.

    The VAST majority seem to have managed just fine, then.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Indeed many have, but I personally think that near on quarter of a million in five months is a lot; perhaps my expectations are higher than yours.

    However, none have crossed the Jubilee since the day the New bridge opened, so that 80,000 is incorrect.
    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 17th May 18, 6:22 PM
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    How are you getting on Mistermeaner?

    In the local paper it says that Halton Council are appealing a ruling after the Traffic Penalty Tribunal ruled the tolls are illegal as they do not comply with the Transport Act 2000 because the council had not clearly specified the toll charges.

    The TPT also ruled that the bridge did not have adequate signage informing motorists how and when to pay the tolls.

    Both rulings are bei.g contested.
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 17th May 18, 7:39 PM
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    The appeal has been heard. The ruling should be announced in the next week or two.
    • Tinks74
    • By Tinks74 18th May 18, 1:28 PM
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    The court appeal ruling is in:

    http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/16235179.Mersey_Gateway_fines_could_be_scrapped_af ter_landmark_ruling_upheld/
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 19th May 18, 7:15 PM
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    We just need to wait for a definitive answer on whether tolls before 19 Apr are illegal.

    If so then I've got a big claim to put in to HBC.
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