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    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 9th Apr 18, 2:17 PM
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    Parking Charge Notice - Redbridge Sports & Leisure
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:17 PM
    Parking Charge Notice - Redbridge Sports & Leisure 9th Apr 18 at 2:17 PM
    Hello all,

    I received a parking charge notice today (It is a Parking Charge Notice not a Penalty charge notice).

    The full duration of the stay was paid for via the Whoosh app.

    The letter is from PCL and the car park is that of the local sports centre I believe.

    Thanks,

    Zdad.
    Last edited by zafiradad1980; 09-04-2018 at 2:43 PM.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 9th Apr 18, 2:28 PM
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    It will be ANPR not CCTV mages. A wholly unfit for purpose system, banned by the UK Government for car park management on council or local government car parks, but used by scammers to scam.

    Please read the sticky thread for NEWBIES then appeal using the template you will find there.

    Most if not all of your questions will be answered in that thread, but comeback here if you need further help.

    Pease also complain to your MP and Sir Greg Knight MP about this unregulated scam.

    These are some of the comments made by the MPs in Parliament concerning the unregulated parking industry (Feb 2018):

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

    ''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

    These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if they want further information about this scam.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 9th Apr 18, 2:31 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:31 PM
    You should also edit your post to say The Driver paid for parking. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper, who are two different people.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 2:33 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:33 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:33 PM
    Which parking firm?

    Never mind the discount. The MSE discount is 100%.

    Please now URGENTLY remove your middle line of your first post, as it tells the world who was driving!!
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 09-04-2018 at 2:49 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 9th Apr 18, 2:44 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:44 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:44 PM
    Thanks, I have updated my original post.

    I uploaded a pdf of the receipt for parking to the PCL website where it said email us.

    Am I being paranoid in thinking that the email/message might be ignored?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 2:46 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 2:46 PM
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    PCL, who are they? Full company name/number?

    In your appeal, you didn't say who was driving did you? Didn't tick 'driver'?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 9th Apr 18, 2:46 PM
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    Please tell us the NAME of the parking company.

    Other than that, read the NEWBIES then send the appeal template you will find there at the prescribed time.

    If you have already appealed, please tell us what you said. Hopefully you didn't give away the driver's identity.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 09-04-2018 at 2:51 PM.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 9th Apr 18, 3:49 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 3:49 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 3:49 PM
    Parking Charge Limited
    PO Box 1484, Northampton, NN2 1ET

    No I didn't tick any box to say who the driver was. I attached a pdf of the receipt from Whoosh
    Last edited by zafiradad1980; 09-04-2018 at 3:53 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 4:59 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 4:59 PM
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    BPA members then:

    http://www.britishparking.co.uk/BPA-Approved-Operators

    So you know how to win at POPLA, as registered keeper? Was the Notice received within 14 days of the event, and does it have the words it needs from para 9 of Schedule 4 (linked in the NEWBIES thread)?

    Hope you didn't type 'I paid' or see MY receipt' ?!!!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 9th Apr 18, 5:03 PM
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    The letter was received today, 15 days after the event.


    I certainly didn't tell them who was driving or who paid.
    Last edited by zafiradad1980; 09-04-2018 at 5:06 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 5:22 PM
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    So now compare the wording to para 9 of the POFA linked in the NEWBIES thread!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 18th Apr 18, 8:44 AM
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    Apologies for asking this but should my first appeal be sent via post to Parking Charge Limited?

    They have an appeals section on their website (www.pcnpay.co.uk) but I have little faith that anything submitted there will be acknowledged
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 18th Apr 18, 10:09 AM
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    You have proof by way of a screenshot using their site

    Don't post is the advice in the Newbies FAQ thread
    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 18th Apr 18, 10:12 AM
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    The newbies FAQ thread is remarkably unreadable.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 18th Apr 18, 10:44 AM
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    In what way??

    This is readable (in the section by the template appeal):
    Template appeal for BPA or IPC members - copy this wording into the online appeal box::
    Last edited by Quentin; 18-04-2018 at 10:54 AM.
    • zafiradad1980
    • By zafiradad1980 18th Apr 18, 10:53 AM
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    I can speak for anyone else but, for me, there is too much information there rendering it hard to read.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 18th Apr 18, 10:57 AM
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    Quentin
    No-one is expected to take it all in at once

    This isn't a straight forward matter with a silver bullet.

    Keep reading this in chunks till you understand the game.

    Then return to each section as you progress along the journey.

    They have 6 years to start legal action against you so it could need revisiting regularly as it is always being updated
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 18th Apr 18, 11:38 AM
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    I can speak for anyone else but, for me, there is too much information there rendering it hard to read.
    Originally posted by zafiradad1980
    Then dont read it all at once.
    Break it into chunks

    You only need post 1.
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