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    • TyreLever
    • By TyreLever 9th Apr 18, 6:00 AM
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    HGV training, do you need to learn to drive a car first?
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    • 9th Apr 18, 6:00 AM
    HGV training, do you need to learn to drive a car first? 9th Apr 18 at 6:00 AM
    I imagine driving a lorry is drastically different from driving a car. I would like to do the training for HGVs but would I need to faff about with larning to drive a car first? I have no benefit to driving a car myself and this would be a huge waste of time and money. I do have full motorcycle entitlement.

    Also if I did learn to drive a car, how would the points system work. Would I be allowed up to 12 on my motorcycle part and only 6 on the car part (for the 1st 2 years)?
    Sometimes my advice may not be great, but I'm not perfect and I do try my best. Please take this into account.
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    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 9th Apr 18, 6:36 AM
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    Can't answer the first part but you only have one licence with the vehicle types that you can drive listed on it. Therefore all points, regardless of whether bike, car or other vehicle, go on a single licence. So in your example your total points would be 18.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 9th Apr 18, 7:06 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 7:06 AM
    You need a full car licence to apply for a LGV provisional entitlement you also need to pass a medical test.

    As above you only have one licence with all your entitlements on and to which any points are added.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 9th Apr 18, 7:35 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 7:35 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 7:35 AM
    I have no benefit to driving a car myself and this would be a huge waste of time and money. I do have full motorcycle entitlement.
    If you are an experienced and competent motorcyclist passing a car driving test should be easy.

    Five seconds with google gives the answer. https://www.gov.uk/become-lorry-bus-driver
    Last edited by Norman Castle; 09-04-2018 at 7:40 AM.
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 9th Apr 18, 8:15 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 8:15 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 8:15 AM
    I'm not sure I'd want an HGV driver on the road who couldn't drive a car tbh.
    • Robin9
    • By Robin9 9th Apr 18, 8:32 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 8:32 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 8:32 AM
    OP - do you know what the costs are for HGV training ?
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    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 9th Apr 18, 8:33 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 8:33 AM
    If you are an experienced and competent motorcyclist passing a car driving test should be easy.https://www.gov.uk/become-lorry-bus-driver
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    Not necessarily... You'd have to unlearn some bike-specific habits first - at least long enough to convince the examiner. My father fell foul of this - and as a passenger, it was quite frightening when he forgot he was now driving a van and went to filter...
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 9th Apr 18, 8:33 AM
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    I imagine driving a lorry is drastically different from driving a car. I would like to do the training for HGVs but would I need to faff about with larning to drive a car first? I have no benefit to driving a car myself and this would be a huge waste of time and money. I do have full motorcycle entitlement.

    Also if I did learn to drive a car, how would the points system work. Would I be allowed up to 12 on my motorcycle part and only 6 on the car part (for the 1st 2 years)?
    Originally posted by TyreLever
    Isnít the two year rule from the date of passing your first test?
    • oldagetraveller
    • By oldagetraveller 9th Apr 18, 10:24 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 10:24 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 10:24 AM
    I imagine driving a lorry is drastically different from driving a car. I would like to do the training for HGVs but would I need to faff about with larning to drive a car first? I have no benefit to driving a car myself and this would be a huge waste of time and money. I do have full motorcycle entitlement.

    Also if I did learn to drive a car, how would the points system work. Would I be allowed up to 12 on my motorcycle part and only 6 on the car part (for the 1st 2 years)?
    Originally posted by TyreLever
    I'm not sure if I would want to share the roads with someone in charge of a 40 tonne vehicle if they have to come on an internet forum to ask those questions of random and anonymous people without doing their own research first!
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    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 9th Apr 18, 11:08 AM
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    You need a full car licence to apply for a LGV provisional entitlement you also need to pass a medical test.

    As above you only have one licence with all your entitlements on and to which any points are added.
    Originally posted by esmerobbo
    A medical?
    I didn't take a medical when doing my c and c+e only last month
    • Cash-Strapped.T32
    • By Cash-Strapped.T32 9th Apr 18, 12:38 PM
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    Also if I did learn to drive a car, how would the points system work. Would I be allowed up to 12 on my motorcycle part and only 6 on the car part (for the 1st 2 years)?
    Originally posted by TyreLever
    Having recently done this very thing myself...

    For the purposes of the new driver act, you count as having passed your test when you first got your license.

    As Unforseen above pointed out, there is only one license - you merely add different entitlements to it as & when you pass certain tests.
    Therefore, if you've held your bike entitlement for more than 2yrs, the New Driver act does not apply to you - be it in car or on a bike - as you have held your license for more than 2yrs.


    *EDIT* However, don't for a second think that means you can add-up the number of points across cars & bikes, or any such silliness - one license means one set of points - and if you lose the license then you lose all your entitlements.

    Remember - if you get too many points, you lose the LICENSE - you don't lose an entitlement.
    So any additional entitlements (car, van, hgv, etc...) that you have on your license are also lost.
    Last edited by Cash-Strapped.T32; 09-04-2018 at 1:41 PM.
    • facade
    • By facade 9th Apr 18, 2:04 PM
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    I don't know how much things have changed recently, but when my brother was unemployed a few years ago, my late parents paid for him to do a HGV course, and get his HGV licence.

    But he couldn't get a driving job without experience, and he couldn't get experience without a driving job.

    Seems that no-one would entrust 40 tonnes of expensive truck and cargo to someone who just passed their test.
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 9th Apr 18, 2:08 PM
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    Having recently done this very thing myself...

    For the purposes of the new driver act, you count as having passed your test when you first got your license.

    As Unforseen above pointed out, there is only one license - you merely add different entitlements to it as & when you pass certain tests.
    Therefore, if you've held your bike entitlement for more than 2yrs, the New Driver act does not apply to you - be it in car or on a bike - as you have held your license for more than 2yrs.


    *EDIT* However, don't for a second think that means you can add-up the number of points across cars & bikes, or any such silliness - one license means one set of points - and if you lose the license then you lose all your entitlements.

    Remember - if you get too many points, you lose the LICENSE - you don't lose an entitlement.
    So any additional entitlements (car, van, hgv, etc...) that you have on your license are also lost.
    Originally posted by Cash-Strapped.T32
    If it was issued by the DVLA itís a driving licence.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 9th Apr 18, 2:13 PM
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    Also if I did learn to drive a car, how would the points system work. Would I be allowed up to 12 on my motorcycle part and only 6 on the car part (for the 1st 2 years)?
    Originally posted by TyreLever
    No. It is combined so what you get in each class of vehicle affects them all. If you've already got 6 points on your license forget doing this because you'll be lucky to find anyone to employ you.

    Also when it comes to insurance if you've had an accident in your lorry at work it is still declarable on any policy you apply for for a car or motorbike.
    • Cash-Strapped.T32
    • By Cash-Strapped.T32 9th Apr 18, 2:14 PM
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    If it was issued by the DVLA itís a driving licence.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 9th Apr 18, 2:15 PM
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    A medical?
    I didn't take a medical when doing my c and c+e only last month
    Originally posted by arcon5
    You had to take one to apply for your LGV provisional license. From age 45 you need to take one every 5 years up to age 65 and then annually from thereon in.

    I don't know how much things have changed recently, but when my brother was unemployed a few years ago, my late parents paid for him to do a HGV course, and get his HGV licence.

    But he couldn't get a driving job without experience, and he couldn't get experience without a driving job.

    Seems that no-one would entrust 40 tonnes of expensive truck and cargo to someone who just passed their test.
    Originally posted by facade
    Whereas my 22 year old son had little problem getting one when he passed his test last year. HGV driver employment agencies are the typical way in the door to get the experience and in my opinion the best way as you're not expected to be good and you can gain experience on a wide range of vehicles and load types in a very short space of time.
    Last edited by Tarambor; 09-04-2018 at 2:17 PM.
    • Svein Forkbeard
    • By Svein Forkbeard 9th Apr 18, 2:16 PM
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    I'd go back to plan A.

    The roads have become unviable for me. Cycling is OK for short distances. Is there any form of aircraft (microlights cant be that costly?) that costs no more than a typical car?
    Originally posted by TyreLever
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    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 9th Apr 18, 2:21 PM
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    A medical?
    I didn't take a medical when doing my c and c+e only last month
    Originally posted by arcon5
    The medical D4 form not so much a medical as a report from a doctor is when you apply for the provisional entitlement.
    Last edited by esmerobbo; 09-04-2018 at 2:24 PM.
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