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    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 9th Apr 18, 5:28 AM
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    Scs law lbc by ukpc
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    • 9th Apr 18, 5:28 AM
    Scs law lbc by ukpc 9th Apr 18 at 5:28 AM
    Hi all, thanks for all your threads and peace of mind. I have read the NEWBIES thread and I understood them well most of them anyway.

    Why I am starting this thread is because I haven't read anything on hospital car parks. A LBC was received from SCS LAW on behalf of UKPC who in turn is working for a hospital. As staff of the hospital, we pay, monthly, quarterly or yearly on parking and were issued with parking permits. However, half of the time there were never enough spaces therefore parking anywhere posiible in order not to be late for shifts. Each time this happened, ukpc would issue tickets on the screen before the end of the shift. Now a letter has arrived asking for over 800.

    These cowboys rogue are so heartless, on one of the days, ticket office was shut due to staff shortage, a letter was left on the screen explaining this, but a ticket was still left anyway.
    Another occasion, a courtesy car was used and a message was left with own car reg number with explanation that the permit was forgotten in own car and car at garage for Service, a ticket was still issued anyway.
    3rd and most crazy one. The car was left on same spot for 2 days. 1st day, ticket was issued, 2nd day another ticket was issued and the 1st ticket was on the ground......... how did that happen????? Guessed the parking attendant took it off and issued a new one
    We use to laugh about these in the coffee room saying how rogue and crazy they are not knowing it's still coming to take a big chunk out of our backsides
    It was learnt that the amount of tickets they issue the more commission they get....... that is disgusting!!!!
    A complaint will be made to the trust and a reply would be drafted and posted here for a proof read and help.......
    Thanks guys!!!
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    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 9th Apr 18, 7:02 AM
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    Lots on here about staff parking cases at hospitals. Please use the search facility to gen up on previous examples and existing advice while waiting for replies.

    But it can escalate to court with devastating consequences.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs-nurse-hospital-parking-tickets-university-hospital-of-wales-cardiff-indigo-park-services-150000-a7845126.html
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 9th Apr 18, 7:36 AM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 7:36 AM
    You need to involve your Trade Union. Get the Press involved. Write and complain to your MP and ask for his/her support for local nursing staff.

    Watch this when you get some spare time - copy the link to your MP and ask that he/she has a look at it too.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    PS - please spare us the emoji shower in any subsequent posts!
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 3:37 PM
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    I haven't read anything on hospital car parks.
    Search the forum for UKPC Hospital or NHS Memorandum Hospital to see what the actual Govt policy is.

    A LBC was received from SCS LAW on behalf of UKPC
    Does it refer only to 3 PCNs, and does it give you 30 days to respond & does it enclose reply forms?


    As staff of the hospital, we pay, monthly, quarterly or yearly on parking and were issued with parking permits. However, half of the time there were never enough spaces therefore parking anywhere possible in order not to be late for shifts. Each time this happened, ukpc would issue tickets on the screen before the end of the shift. Now a letter has arrived asking for over 800.
    Beware, read the awful situation regarding the UHW Nurses case heard last year:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs-nurse-hospital-parking-tickets-university-hospital-of-wales-cardiff-indigo-park-services-150000-a7845126.html

    ...the transcripts for which, sadly and for whatever reason, the Parking Prankster has not hosted in his case law pages - along with Link v Blaney which is also conspicuous by its absence, despite a transcript being in the public domain of that lost case, too - but this forum has the transcript of the UHW nurses case posted by bargepole, for you to read:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5728064

    These cowboys rogue are so heartless, on one of the days, ticket office was shut due to staff shortage, a letter was left on the screen explaining this, but a ticket was still left anyway.
    Another occasion, a courtesy car was used and a message was left with own car reg number with explanation that the permit was forgotten in own car and car at garage for Service, a ticket was still issued anyway.
    3rd and most crazy one. The car was left on same spot for 2 days. 1st day, ticket was issued, 2nd day another ticket was issued and the 1st ticket was on the ground......... how did that happen????? Guessed the parking attendant took it off and issued a new one
    All of the above give you a defence and we will help you.

    As for replying to SCS Law, search the forum for Dear SCS yours faithfully and adapt one!
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 9th Apr 18, 5:05 PM
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    OMG Guys dad this is so scary!!! I am definitely going to be involving my union. How could a judge do this??? It's so unrealistic nurse's salary starts at 21k/annum! How do you order someone to pay more than their annual salary in parking fine!!
    Sorry about the emojis....... just nerves.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 5:08 PM
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    We know.

    But this is beatable and SCS Law/UKPC cases are not as strong as Indigo who threw a lot of weight at it.

    We have beaten lots of UKPC cases before. Loads of times.

    And the defendants were disadvantaged for reasons I will not go into, but no doubt you read what happened and who reportedly said and did what, as per the transcripts in the public domain.
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 9th Apr 18, 5:12 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 5:12 PM
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    • 9th Apr 18, 5:12 PM
    You need to involve your Trade Union. Get the Press involved. Write and complain to your MP and ask for his/her support for local nursing staff.

    Watch this when you get some spare time - copy the link to your MP and ask that he/she has a look at it too.


    PS - please spare us the emoji shower in any subsequent posts!
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    Ok, I will inform my union and write to my MP.
    Sorry about the emoji....... nerves I guessed. I'll watch the link once i have time. Thank you again.
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 9th Apr 18, 5:23 PM
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    We know.

    But this is beatable and SCS Law/UKPC cases are not as strong as Indigo who threw a lot of weight at it.

    We have beaten lots of UKPC cases before. Loads of times.

    And the defendants were disadvantaged for reasons I will not go into, but no doubt you read what happened and who reportedly said and did what, as per the transcripts in the public domain.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    The PCNs are for 6 tickets and yes they gave me 30 days to relpy with some templates forms included in there letter, which I will definitely not be using having read what's written on here. They were all from 2 years ago. I completely forgotten about them and I have discarded all my evidence just this Christmas gone when de-cluttering the house. I went back to the trust today to get proof of all my payments and as usual cashier/tickets office was closed only this time no message as to why! It was meant to be opened till 3:30pm and I got there 12:55pm to find all doors and windows shut. I will try again tomorrow morning.
    I will start on my reply tonight.
    Thanks all.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 9th Apr 18, 5:31 PM
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    UKPC are fraudsters, read this

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 9th Apr 18, 6:34 PM
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    OMG Guys dad this is so scary!!! I am definitely going to be involving my union. How could a judge do this??? It's so unrealistic nurse's salary starts at 21k/annum! How do you order someone to pay more than their annual salary in parking fine!!
    Sorry about the emojis....... just nerves.
    Originally posted by Dhoney22002
    In a way, you need to put your medical hat on and pass it on to your colleagues.

    By that, you will know full well that you need to deal medical conditions at the earliest opportunity and not ignore them till they become really serious.

    The same applies to parking matters. Now some PPCs, like medical conditions, are pretty harmless and we know which ones these are and the Newbies Blue template pill will sort it out, but others are seriously dangerous and don't go away, so putting them to the back of your mind won't produce a cure.
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 13th Apr 18, 9:19 PM
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    Is this reply to SCS Law any good?
    Dear Sirs,

    Thank you for your letter of ***** With reference number *******


    The Letter Before Claim has been received, However, your letter contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide any photographic evidence. It does not even say what the cause of action is. Nor does it contain any mention of what evidence your client intends to rely on, or enclose copies of such evidence.

    This action on the part of your client is a clear breach of its pre-action obligations set out in the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct, with which as solicitors you must surely be familiar (and with which your client, a serial litigator of small claims, must also be familiar). As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction binds all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time.

    Nobody, including your client, is immune from the requirements and obligations of the Practice Direction. I therefore, require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

    1. an explanation of the cause of action
    2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
    3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
    4. what the details of the claim are (where it is claimed the car was parked, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated, what contractual breach (if any) is being claimed)
    5. a copy of the contract with the landowner (that is the ********* hospital) under which they assert authority to bring the claim
    6. a copy of any alleged contract with the driver
    7. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
    8. details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)
    9. the extra charge that have added on to the original charge, what that represents and how it has been calculated.

    I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

    If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) !!!8211; Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13 ,15(b) and (c) and 16. I will draw to the court the fact that I have expressly requested this information.

    Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

    Yours Faithfully,

    NB: I removed the part that stated that I have previously asked their client to provide proofs as I never did.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Apr 18, 9:53 PM
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    Yes that is good, hopefully you will get some information before the claim happens.
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 14th Apr 18, 2:48 AM
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    Yes that is good, hopefully you will get some information before the claim happens.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad


    Thank you.
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 13th May 18, 3:33 AM
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    Hi all,
    I am back, they have replied with 100pages of information including contracts, pictures, tickets, reminders etc.
    To be honest, I am not too bothered about the pictures because like I stated before their ticket personnel were rogues. They gave ticket twice when the car had not been moved at all. On the first day, they took pictures of both front and back of the car very gladly and boldly lots of pictures, on the second day, they cowardly took a picture of the back and another of the front screen to reflect no permit but never taken it as boldly as the 1st day to show that it was still in the same spot.

    Here is the content of the reply in short
    1) they are pursuing me as the keeper.
    2) cause of action is the breach of contract
    3) they've broken down the payments to 160/ticket, 60 was added on top of each ticket for dept recovery fee.

    FOR THE LEGAL EXPERTS HERE:
    I noticed the contract was only for one year and none of the dates on the ticket fell within that one year. However, there was a witness statement from the head of estates stating:
    - That UKPC has the authority of the Landowner to undertake parking management control and enforcement at the site.
    - This authority is contained in an agreement dated **/**/**** running in perpetuity until terminated.

    But the contract has a termination date and both parties signatures, whereas this witness statement is not a contract although it was dated few months after the end of the initial contract and it only has the head of estates signature none from UKPC.......

    1) CAN THE STATEMENT BE TREATED AS A CONTRACT?

    OR

    2) DO YOU THINK I CAN JUST REPLY SCS LAW THAT CONTRACT IS NOT VALID?

    3) PLEASE WHAT DO I DO NEXT?

    Thank you so much.
    • Johnersh
    • By Johnersh 13th May 18, 7:07 AM
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    We don't want 100 pages but it would be helpful to have the statement and contract. Use a FileShare website like Dropbox to post them up here.

    Don't forget to conceal your name/address/registration etc.
    "The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 13th May 18, 9:36 AM
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    Dhoney22002

    Nasty bunch are UKPC

    Let the experienced ones on here study the papers
    when you upload them.

    I am not too sure if a court will allow the 60 add-on fee
    for debt collectors

    What you must do now is make all your fellow workers
    fully aware that ......

    As of the 22/03/2018, UKPC were banned by the DVLA
    Meaning that all windscreen tickets are now useless
    to UKPC as they cannot obtain keepers details
    Same with the dodgy ANPR.

    It surely is now your job to print off the following
    and place it on the notice boards which will scupper
    UKPC whilst they are banned.
    Even though they will continue to issue windscreen tickets
    they will be worthless and can be ignored

    Any ticket given out whilst they are banned cannot
    be used by UKPC at a later stage

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2018/
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 13th May 18, 10:15 AM
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    3) they've broken down the payments to 160/ticket, 60 was added on top of each ticket for dept recovery fee.
    I am not too sure if a court will allow the 60 add-on fee
    for debt collectors
    If the debt collectors are Debt Recovery Plus, they work on a 'no collection, no fee' basis.

    http://www.debtrecoveryplus.co.uk/pcn-collection/
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 13th May 18, 10:29 AM
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    If the debt collectors are Debt Recovery Plus, they work on a 'no collection, no fee' basis.

    http://www.debtrecoveryplus.co.uk/pcn-collection/
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    YES, SCS Law should wake up and smell the coffee
    NO FEE NO CLAIM ?

    If it is DRP, highly possible, guess they would be
    very pi**ed off with such a UKPC claim pocketing
    the 60 per ticket
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 13th May 18, 12:51 PM
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    If DRP have failed to collect they hand it back to UKPC who make the court case.
    DRP as stated from their own website are on a no win no fee basis and get nothing, so any debt collectors fees added on to a court claim is fraudulent.
    • Honey-Dee
    • By Honey-Dee 13th May 18, 7:54 PM
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    Johnersh thank you. Will load them asap.
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