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    • rvj87
    • By rvj87 7th Apr 18, 8:59 PM
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    Awarded pip out of nowhere?!
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    • 7th Apr 18, 8:59 PM
    Awarded pip out of nowhere?! 7th Apr 18 at 8:59 PM
    Hi,
    With the help of a CAB adviser, I completed a mandatory reconsideration for PIP. I sent in a statement of reasons and supplied additional medical evidence. I was turned down again, and scored zero for everything. Today, however, after lodging an appeal with a first tier tribunal a few weeks ago, I had a letter from the DWP awarding me the standard rate of PIP until 2021. I'm not sure what to do. I have heard of the DWP awarding PIP to discourage people from going to tribunal. Would it be best for me to go anyway?
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    • Danday
    • By Danday 8th Apr 18, 3:13 PM
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    Danday
    You said you were awarded Standard Daily living (8 points) and nothing for mobility (4 points)
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    I class standard care as 'nothing' when compared to the previous award only two years ago of enhanced Care & Mobility.
    I expect the same this time round as nothing has changed which is what I put on the review claim form, but the assessor thought differently.

    Either the 2015 award was wrong or the current one is. So yes, what I have been offered is nothing compared to what I expect.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 8th Apr 18, 3:21 PM
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    Danday
    I'm not sure if a talk at home would be classed as therapy tbh. Has this been recommended by a medical professional? Also how long do these talks last for and how often?
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    That's a good point raised.

    Does counselling count as therapy when it was authorised by my GP? The sessions lasted for 25 weeks and up to 2 hours for each one. Then there is the psychology appointments for years every week, then the bi weekly meetings with an CPN/OT to try to regain some level of normal life.
    I have to be honest I have never mentioned any of the above to the DWP in the past either for DLA or PIP.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 8th Apr 18, 3:28 PM
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    poppy12345
    That's a good point raised.

    Does counselling count as therapy when it was authorised by my GP? The sessions lasted for 25 weeks and up to 2 hours for each one. Then there is the psychology appointments for years every week, then the bi weekly meetings with an CPN/OT to try to regain some level of normal life.
    I have to be honest I have never mentioned any of the above to the DWP in the past either for DLA or PIP.
    Originally posted by Danday
    No. As Alice pointed out in a previous post it must be for at least 3.5 hours per week. Any therapy must be done at home to have any chance of scoring any points for this descriptor.
    Last edited by poppy12345; 08-04-2018 at 3:30 PM.
    • BorisThomson
    • By BorisThomson 8th Apr 18, 3:44 PM
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    BorisThomson
    Please don't keep feeding it guys, especially on someone else's thread.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 8th Apr 18, 3:46 PM
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    Danday
    No. As Alice pointed out in a previous post it must be for at least 3.5 hours per week. Any therapy must be done at home to have any chance of scoring any points for this descriptor.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    I agree that each one lasted for approx. 2 hours but would it not be appropriate, as they were all for the same condition and reason, if they were added together? The counselling and the CPN/OT ones which totalled approx. 4 hours a week were indeed carried out in my home. Only the psychology ones - EMD and others, were carried out in a hospital setting.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 8th Apr 18, 3:52 PM
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    Alice Holt
    I class standard care as 'nothing'..............
    ............ So yes, what I have been offered is nothing compared to what I expect.
    Originally posted by Danday
    Odd definition of nothing.
    2,894 per year with the potential for a carer to claim a further 3,359 per year.
    In total, roughly equivalent to the basic Old state pension.

    To the OP - one thing to be aware of is the tribunal will review the whole award.
    So it could go up, stay the same, or be removed.
    The latter is very, very unlikely in your circumstances but you do need to be mindful of this.

    The figures above are your current award. If you live alone it may be possible to claim SDP (rather than someone claiming carers allowance for you)
    https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/severe-disability-premium


    Scraping the bottom of the barrel with that explanation of his inconsistencies and contradictory stories.
    Rather disappointing, I thought he would come up with something better then that!

    Sorry Boris.
    But it does alert the OP to the value of his posts.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 08-04-2018 at 4:11 PM.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 8th Apr 18, 4:09 PM
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    Danday
    Odd definition of nothing.
    2,894 per year with the potential for a carer to claim a further 3,359 per year.
    In total, roughly equivalent to the basic Old state pension.

    Scraping the bottom of the barrel with that explanation of his inconsistencies and contradictory stories.
    Rather disappointing, I thought he would come up with something better then that!

    Sorry Boris.
    But it does alert the OP to the value of his posts.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt
    Carers Allowance cannot be put into payment due to receiving the SP. It would however give an increase to the PC award of something like 1600 a year. not 3359 a year
    However 2894 a year is nothing in comparison to the 7280 a year that should be in payment.
    ;Nothing' does not necessarily mean zero, it is also terminology when comparing it with a much larger amount. It's like saying that cigs cost me 7.69 a day which may seem high for some, but when compared to the cost of alcohol and entertaining (which I do neither now) it is nothing by comparison.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 8th Apr 18, 4:23 PM
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    NeilCr
    Carers Allowance cannot be put into payment due to receiving the SP. It would however give an increase to the PC award of something like 1600 a year. not 3359 a year
    However 2894 a year is nothing in comparison to the 7280 a year that should be in payment.
    ;Nothing' does not necessarily mean zero, it is also terminology when comparing it with a much larger amount. It's like saying that cigs cost me 7.69 a day which may seem high for some, but when compared to the cost of alcohol and entertaining (which I do neither now) it is nothing by comparison.
    Originally posted by Danday
    To be honest I am beginning to see why you are struggling with form completion.

    It is hugely important that ESA/PIP/any forms are filled in accurately. With your lazy use of language 2k plus is nothing - the confusion over if/when you claimed PC etc - it's pretty apparent that you seriously need some help with claiming in the future.

    You are where you are - you are getting help with your MR from CAB. But, going forward, seek support with your ESA/PIP forms. You'll save yourself and, more importantly, us a lot of stress and drama..

    And, for those reading this thread with forms to complete. Please look to an advice agency/support group for help if you have any doubts/hesitations about how to do it.
    Last edited by NeilCr; 08-04-2018 at 4:36 PM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 8th Apr 18, 4:31 PM
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    poppy12345
    I agree that each one lasted for approx. 2 hours but would it not be appropriate, as they were all for the same condition and reason, if they were added together? The counselling and the CPN/OT ones which totalled approx. 4 hours a week were indeed carried out in my home. Only the psychology ones - EMD and others, were carried out in a hospital setting.
    Originally posted by Danday
    I'm not even sure why you're asking this now, as you say you never even included this on any of your forms. As you didn't do that it's irrelevant now anyway. I have no idea why you would choose not to include something like Mental health in either of your claims. I have to admit a lot of the time your posts really do make me shake my head and wonder......
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 8th Apr 18, 4:39 PM
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    NeilCr
    I'm not even sure why you're asking this now, as you say you never even included this on any of your forms. As you didn't do that it's irrelevant now anyway. I have no idea why you would choose not to include something like Mental health in either of your claims. I have to admit a lot of the time your posts really do make me shake my head and wonder......
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Yes indeed Poppy.

    The inaccuracies and contradictions become more and more obvious.

    It is worrying that this is someone who feels confident about advising others on this forum.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 8th Apr 18, 4:42 PM
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    Ames
    Carers Allowance cannot be put into payment due to receiving the SP. It would however give an increase to the PC award of something like 1600 a year. not 3359 a year
    However 2894 a year is nothing in comparison to the 7280 a year that should be in payment.
    ;Nothing' does not necessarily mean zero, it is also terminology when comparing it with a much larger amount. It's like saying that cigs cost me 7.69 a day which may seem high for some, but when compared to the cost of alcohol and entertaining (which I do neither now) it is nothing by comparison.
    Originally posted by Danday
    Do you have a link to the rule that says pensioners can't have someone claim carers allowance for looking after them? I doubt it, because it's simply not true.

    I'm not even sure why you're asking this now, as you say you never even included this on any of your forms. As you didn't do that it's irrelevant now anyway. I have no idea why you would choose not to include something like Mental health in either of your claims. I have to admit a lot of the time your posts really do make me shake my head and wonder......
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Given that says he has a level of input people with even the most serious mental health problems can only dream of, it's amazing that he's never included them in his benefit claims.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 8th Apr 18, 4:57 PM
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    poppy12345


    Given that says he has a level of input people with even the most serious mental health problems can only dream of, it's amazing that he's never included them in his benefit claims.
    Originally posted by Ames
    Yes, my thoughts exactly. All of this is just ridiculous now to be honest. All the lies, all the different stories. I wonder what will be posted next....
    • bspm1
    • By bspm1 8th Apr 18, 10:33 PM
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    Just want to point out you can quote posts from other threads. If you hit the multiquote button on the post you want to quote and then hit reply on the thread you want to quote it in there'll be a little messsage under the reply box that says



    'quote this post as well' and 'deselect this post' are links to do that action.

    (Hopefully that was clear enough!)
    Originally posted by Ames
    You would not believe how many times I have tried to do multi quote, usually when I am trying to bring up certain posters contradictory comments, but, it never works for me.

    • Danday
    • By Danday 9th Apr 18, 12:22 AM
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    Danday
    I'm not even sure why you're asking this now, as you say you never even included this on any of your forms. As you didn't do that it's irrelevant now anyway. I have no idea why you would choose not to include something like Mental health in either of your claims. I have to admit a lot of the time your posts really do make me shake my head and wonder......
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    From way back in time when I was claiming DLA and when I used to put down on the DLA1 form I did highlight the problems that I had and have which were caused by mental health issues. As I have said the IIDB claims have been fine and that claim was entirely down to mental health. Yet I have never had acceptance from the DWP as regards DLA that I had these problems. Indeed on one occasion I submitted a copy of the discharge letter after spending time under section which still fell on deaf ears.
    So when PIP came about I decided that it would be better for me to put all of my energy into the physical side. All of the points I have had all relate to physical issues. Even after telling the assessor the first time round back in 2013 of some of the problems, it was and has continued to be the case that the mental health examination section report has always concluded that I do not have any mental health issues. Since then I gave up with the second PIP2 form and the review form.
    I took the view that it was pretty clear that no one was going to believe me no matter what I said or did.
    So, as I have said, I now concentrate on the physical aspects that they do believe.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 9th Apr 18, 12:29 AM
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    Danday
    Do you have a link to the rule that says pensioners can't have someone claim carers allowance for looking after them? I doubt it, because it's simply not true.

    Given that says he has a level of input people with even the most serious mental health problems can only dream of, it's amazing that he's never included them in his benefit claims.
    Originally posted by Ames
    The issue being discussed is that it is my wife that cares for me and as she receives the SP, Carers payments are not made.
    Anybody that receives an income replacement benefit is not able to claim Carers payments on top.

    I have explained why - years of the DWP not accepting that I do have these problems has resulted in not wasting my time trying to defend the indefensible.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 9th Apr 18, 12:30 AM
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    Danday
    I will not make any further comment as to do so could leave me open to being accused of hijacking a thread.
    • Hoogle
    • By Hoogle 9th Apr 18, 3:01 AM
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    Hoogle
    I will not make any further comment as to do so could leave me open to being accused of hijacking a thread.
    Originally posted by Danday
    LOL a bit late now isn't it? Skimmed read it and this whole thread seems to be about you in some shape or form
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 9th Apr 18, 6:42 AM
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    poppy12345
    Carers payments are not made.
    Anybody that receives an income replacement benefit is not able to claim Carers payments on top.
    Originally posted by Danday
    I have no idea what you're talking about here. My daughter receives PIP and i claim Income Related ESA. Yes i claim Carers Allowance 62.70 per week, and i receive the Carers Premium on top of my ESA.

    The CA is taken off my ESA and a premium is added. CA then pay me.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 9th Apr 18, 9:13 AM
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    Danday
    I have no idea what you're talking about here. My daughter receives PIP and i claim Income Related ESA. Yes i claim Carers Allowance 62.70 per week, and i receive the Carers Premium on top of my ESA.

    The CA is taken off my ESA and a premium is added. CA then pay me.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Exactly, as ESA is an income replacement benefit you cannot receive Carers Allowance AND your full entitlement from ESA. Your ESA is reduced by CA so you are no better off from that point of view but as you are claiming a means tested benefit also you do get some benefit by way of a premium.

    However for pensioners that does not happen. Anybody entitled to Carers Allowance but also receives the State Pension does NOT get any payment from the CA award - they still continue to receive their full pension. For a pensioner that is not claiming a means tested benefit they still have an underlying entitlement to CA but as I have said it does not go into payment. Having that underlying entitlement may enable a means tested benefit to be paid in which case the pensioner would just get the premium.
    For those pensioners that are never likely to be able to claim a means tested benefit - PC - due to say a large bank balance etc then in reality they will never see any benefit in making a claim for CA.
    • batg
    • By batg 9th Apr 18, 11:27 AM
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    batg
    You say you receive Pension Credit?
    .
    Isn't Pension Credit means tested? For a couple it's around 248 a week isn't it?

    .
    Exactly, as ESA is an income replacement benefit you cannot receive Carers Allowance AND your full entitlement from ESA. Your ESA is reduced by CA so you are no better off from that point of view but as you are claiming a means tested benefit also you do get some benefit by way of a premium.

    However for pensioners that does not happen. Anybody entitled to Carers Allowance but also receives the State Pension does NOT get any payment from the CA award - they still continue to receive their full pension. For a pensioner that is not claiming a means tested benefit they still have an underlying entitlement to CA but as I have said it does not go into payment. Having that underlying entitlement may enable a means tested benefit to be paid in which case the pensioner would just get the premium.
    For those pensioners that are never likely to be able to claim a means tested benefit - PC - due to say a large bank balance etc then in reality they will never see any benefit in making a claim for CA.
    Originally posted by Danday
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