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    • tobythecat99
    • By tobythecat99 24th Mar 18, 7:13 PM
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    Norwich Traffic Control Not Giving POPLA Reference
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:13 PM
    Norwich Traffic Control Not Giving POPLA Reference 24th Mar 18 at 7:13 PM
    The person borrowing my car on a specified date got a private parking charge applied to my car.

    The charge was applied even though the road is a council road. I even got an email from the council confirming they own and maintain the road I was parked on.

    Surprise surprise, the parking firm is still disputing and insisting I pay!

    I appealed and said I would take the matter to POPLA, but now they are trying to refer me to another place - IAS? With no POPLA number.

    Do I write to them insisting on a POPLA number? Can they say no? What do I do if I don't get one etc etc.

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    • Redx
    • By Redx 24th Mar 18, 7:16 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:16 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:16 PM
    yes they can say NO

    NO , do not write to them

    they are not in the BPA AOS scheme, they are in the IPC IAS scheme
    (google both websites and check)

    so no popla, only the IAS which is a waste of time

    please read the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread

    IGNORE unless they try an LBC or an MCOL within 6 years

    IGNORE the debt collectors too
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • tobythecat99
    • By tobythecat99 24th Mar 18, 7:22 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:22 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:22 PM
    Can I not draw a line under this? My evidence is absolutely overwhelmingly favouring me.

    I have photos and videos showing I was parked on a council road, with zero signage on the public road (obviously as its a council road).

    I also have an email chain from the council confirming the part of the road I parked on is indeed council owned and maintained.

    With such evidence, I really just want to put this absolute piece of cr&p charge to bed. I know there is zero reason to pay such a private charge normally, but I feel that this case has even more reasons not too.

    Will the IAS always rule in the members favour?

    Assume I should keep all this evidence safe for a number of years (e.g. Put it in a backup hard drive in my cloud storage etc)??

    These firms are bloody annoying.

    NOTE - I have their appeal response if anyone think it would be useful to look at? (obviously would blank out personal details).
    Last edited by tobythecat99; 24-03-2018 at 7:24 PM. Reason: Addition
    • Redx
    • By Redx 24th Mar 18, 7:27 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:27 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:27 PM
    if you want to try an IAS appeal feel free to do so, one was reported to have won on here quite recently and the IPC figures suggest 1 in 5 are approved

    so nobody is stopping you, but if it fails then you still will not have "drawn a line under it" as NTC have 6 years to try a court case in your local county court
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 24th Mar 18, 7:32 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:32 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 7:32 PM
    Can I not draw a line under this? My evidence is absolutely overwhelmingly favouring me.
    Generally speaking, only once a Judge rules in your favour.

    But if you have absolutely irrefutable evidence that the vehicle was parked on council property, then it's a stinging complaint to the IPC (we've not really seen them side with anyone other than their contributing members - PPCs) and copy it in to the DVLA and ask them to follow up with the IPC to make sure this isn't brushed under the carpet.

    Have you written to your MP with details and asked them to support the Sir Greg Knight Bill going through Parliament towards the end of 2018, which will hopefully bring this out of control industry to heel?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • tobythecat99
    • By tobythecat99 24th Mar 18, 8:00 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 8:00 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 8:00 PM
    The IAS sits within the IPC right, and that whole company is related to Gladstones? Who often debt collect.... All of this seems so circular, and that there would be massive conflicts of interests behind the scenes.

    Will appealing work in my favour if I go to court? Will a rejection work in their favour with the judge (even despite my overwhelming evidence?)

    OK, I like dealing in worst case scenario. They take me to court, somehow they win. What could I be looking at paying?

    Assuming I literally ignore all letters as mentioned, even debt collection letters that could be asking for more money e.g. 200 GBP+ etc? The only thing I don't ignore is a courts summons right?

    I have just now wrote to my MP - Chloe Smith re all this.

    Thanks for all your help. I feel annoyed to have spent my own personal time sorting this stuff out, but obviously owe my thanks to everyone who has given my valuable input.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 24th Mar 18, 8:21 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 8:21 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 8:21 PM
    a typical loss in court is around £175 or less, the original charge plus court fees, assuming you lost of course, otherwise you can claim up to about £95 if you win in court

    a court case is the decider, and costs them more money in any case

    nobody will receive a "summons" , this is not a criminal case

    its a civil case, so MCOL applies which I did mention earlier

    we know its circular, this forum has been dealing with these issues for about 4 years or more and the MP,s talked about it in parliament on 02 feb 2018 , so they are aware of it too
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 24th Mar 18, 8:31 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 8:31 PM
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    • 24th Mar 18, 8:31 PM
    I feel annoyed to have spent my own personal time sorting this stuff out
    Then just take a short walk in the shoes of regulars who give large chunks of their personal lives to sorting this stuff out, every day of the year.

    Even from the other side of the world.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 25th Mar 18, 6:08 PM
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    • 25th Mar 18, 6:08 PM
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    • 25th Mar 18, 6:08 PM
    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Dancingbarbie
    • By Dancingbarbie 11th Apr 18, 3:29 PM
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    Help please I received a ticket from them for parking in the doctors car park to run into the chemist for literally a few minutes
    The photo they have is just of me at a junction not actually pried anywhere
    I asked for a POPLA code and they said they do not need one as the are IPC regulated
    This is all confusing me please could someone help steer me in the direction of a template or advise whatís best to do?

    Iím a single mum who only works part time on a self employed basis and could really do without paying this
    Any help very gratefully received
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 11th Apr 18, 3:34 PM
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    Fruitcake
    Help please I received a ticket from them for parking in the doctors car park to run into the chemist for literally a few minutes
    The photo they have is just of me at a junction not actually pried anywhere
    I asked for a POPLA code and they said they do not need one as the are IPC regulated
    This is all confusing me please could someone help steer me in the direction of a template or advise what!!!8217;s best to do?

    I!!!8217;m a single mum who only works part time on a self employed basis and could really do without paying this
    Any help very gratefully received
    Originally posted by Dancingbarbie
    You need to read the sticky thread for NEWBIES then start your own thread if you need further help. The NEWBIES explains everything you need to know and how to appeal.

    Please don't post on this thread again as the advice here is purely for the original poster.

    Use the Forum Jump "GO" button near the top or bottom right of this page to get to the NEWBIES.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 11-04-2018 at 3:36 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Apr 18, 1:57 AM
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    Help please...

    Iím a single mum who only works part time on a self employed basis and could really do without paying this
    Originally posted by Dancingbarbie
    No-one here pays these.

    Please click back 2 clicks (see my signature below, tells you where to click & read).
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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