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    • atherlon
    • By atherlon 14th Mar 18, 2:36 PM
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    Safety question re fire doors
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    • 14th Mar 18, 2:36 PM
    Safety question re fire doors 14th Mar 18 at 2:36 PM
    I live in a warden controlled disabled housing scheme run by housing association, we have had an ongoing problem which I will go into in length in another post but my question is about the community hall that we pay for in addition to our rent

    Some tenants have been using the fire doors as entrance/exits which I object to as they are only supposed to be used in an emergency or fire , that is until this morning when we had a meeting in the hall with the fire brigade who told the housing association and tenants /visitors that it was fine with the fire brigade that the fire doors could be used as entrance/exits
    This canít be right or legal

    Iím thinking of making a formal complaint to the fire brigade but just want to check if the health and safety laws had been rewritten
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    • societys child
    • By societys child 14th Mar 18, 3:05 PM
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    When you say fire doors, I take you mean emergency exits, not fire doors, which contain a fire and stop it spreading?
    Either way, I don't see any problem using the doors to get in and out.

    Why do you think it might be illegal?

    *Cinemas and night clubs don't like it, 'cos people use them to sneak in without paying if they're not secured . .

    • atherlon
    • By atherlon 14th Mar 18, 3:09 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 3:09 PM
    Well one reason is that In January they held the Christmas party , now the one fire door was wide open , in the door was a large propane tank with pipe trailing to a gas barbecue inside the building , so that exit was blocked also the housing association has removed all fire extinguishers for community building to save money
    Last edited by atherlon; 14-03-2018 at 3:13 PM.
    • societys child
    • By societys child 14th Mar 18, 3:42 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 3:42 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 3:42 PM
    Ah, but that's totally different to your first post about using the doors to enter and exit the building, which the fire brigade had no problem with.

    • G_M
    • By G_M 14th Mar 18, 4:51 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 4:51 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 4:51 PM
    A fire door or a fire exit?

    A fire door should be kept closed (to prevent fire spreading) except when in use. And yes, it can be used as a 'door'.

    A fire exit is just that - a way out. As such it can be used a any time.

    You later add information about "a large propane tank with pipe trailing to a gas barbecue inside the building , so that exit was blocked also the housing association has removed all fire extinguishers for community building to save money".

    Did you complain about these issues to the HA and/or fire brigade? The fire brigade would certainly advise on the number and location of extinguishers required, but it's not clear if you just got them to look at the doors!
    • atherlon
    • By atherlon 14th Mar 18, 4:51 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 4:51 PM
    So it legal to leave the doors wide open for hours on end
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 14th Mar 18, 4:57 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 4:57 PM
    So it legal to leave the doors wide open for hours on end
    Originally posted by atherlon
    And again, that's different from merely "using them as entrance/exits".

    Whatever your question is, I doubt there's a general answer to it. It will probably come down to the specifics of the building.
    Last edited by davidmcn; 14-03-2018 at 5:32 PM.
    • G_M
    • By G_M 14th Mar 18, 5:26 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 5:26 PM
    So it legal to leave the doors wide open for hours on end
    Originally posted by atherlon
    I ask again:

    A fire door or a fire exit?
    • anselld
    • By anselld 14th Mar 18, 5:31 PM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 5:31 PM
    So it legal to leave the doors wide open for hours on end
    Originally posted by atherlon
    From a fire safety point of view the final exit door from an escape route does not need to remain closed. It is not necessary to prevent the spread of fire from outside to inside the building.

    However from a security viewpoint it is presumably not good practice to leave free access to communal areas.

    Complain to the Management Company, not the Fire Brigade.
    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 14th Mar 18, 7:01 PM
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    To be fair the fire brigade are probably the most qualified to give advice.

    What makes you (OP) more qualified than them?

    Risk assessments would be carried out buy the HA into the use of the building and any specific functions being held..
    • 00ec25
    • By 00ec25 14th Mar 18, 8:41 PM
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    So it legal to leave the doors wide open for hours on end
    Originally posted by atherlon
    as has been asked several times, what doors do you mean?

    internal fire doors with signs on them saying "fire door keep closed" or an fire exit door which gives egress from a building, and therefore by definition a point of entry as well if it is open?

    there is no legalisation saying a fire exit cannot be open
    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 15th Mar 18, 9:43 AM
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    there is no legalisation saying a fire exit cannot be open
    Originally posted by 00ec25
    The fire brigade would likely not mind if the door on a fire EXIT was removed entirely, less likely to get blocked or jammed in an emergency!


    OP you have your answer to the question you originally asked, Fire EXITS, are just doors to the outside, there is no requirement that they are ONLY used if there is a fire.
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