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    • Wendy64
    • By Wendy64 13th Mar 18, 11:11 PM
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    T junction Accident
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    • 13th Mar 18, 11:11 PM
    T junction Accident 13th Mar 18 at 11:11 PM
    Today i was involved in a rtc..i was coming upto a T junction ..there was heavy traffic coming from the left hand side ..it was crawling as it was school run time ..i was indicating to turn right ..there was a break in the traffic coming from the right ..a loery flashed me to let me out as i was about to pull out the junction the car directly behind the lorry which was stationary at the time pulled out and was on the wrong side of the road and turned right as i was pulling out ..she hit my front side ..who was at fault ?? I think it was her as you cant overtake near a junction but shes saying it was my fault ! ..she was on the wrong side of the road ..any advice most helpful
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    • societys child
    • By societys child 14th Mar 18, 4:11 PM
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    See it regularly, in stationary traffic, someone 'nipping' down the wrong side of the road, to make right turn.
    Usually foot-to-floor to beat any oncoming traffic.

    • n217970
    • By n217970 14th Mar 18, 4:17 PM
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    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5798793

    See post #8 the same will apply here
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 14th Mar 18, 5:43 PM
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    No witness is pedestrian who saw the lorry flash to let me out
    Originally posted by Wendy64
    He flashed to let you know he was there, what happened next was down to you.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 14th Mar 18, 9:04 PM
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    He flashed to let you know he was there, what happened next was down to you.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    You must really enjoy this, eh?

    I doubt anybody else will think this is true (in the circumstances described thus far in the thread) ... it's a lorry in very slow moving traffic - even Mr. Magoo would be able to see it without the lorry driver flashing the lights.
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 14th Mar 18, 9:25 PM
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    Originally posted by n217970
    Possibly, possibly not. Since insurance decisions don't set any precedence.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 14th Mar 18, 9:45 PM
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    You must really enjoy this, eh?

    I doubt anybody else will think this is true (in the circumstances described thus far in the thread) ... it's a lorry in very slow moving traffic - even Mr. Magoo would be able to see it without the lorry driver flashing the lights.
    Originally posted by DoaM
    Whether he enjoys it is irrelevant - he is right.

    The only legal meaning of flashing lights is to alert road users to the vehicle's presence.

    The witness can confirm that the lights flashed, but he cannot know the driver's intent.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 14th Mar 18, 9:45 PM
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    He flashed to let you know he was there, what happened next was down to you.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    I had someone to that to me the other day, main road was quiet, I was waiting to turn right from side street, vehicle ftom right was indicating right to come into side street. Was flashing me (let me know they were). I just waited, they were getting annoyed as their turn was tight with me waiting. I thought I don't care it's your right of your way, I'm not faling for it, you can make it!! What seemed like forever they finally turned right.
    Last edited by cjdavies; 15-03-2018 at 5:41 AM.
    • IanMSpencer
    • By IanMSpencer 14th Mar 18, 9:50 PM
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    Whether he enjoys it is irrelevant - he is right.

    The only legal meaning of flashing lights is to alert road users to the vehicle's presence.

    The witness can confirm that the lights flashed, but he cannot know the driver's intent.
    Originally posted by Car 54
    Agree. However, as they did not collide with the lorry, I would suggest it was irrelevant. They had correctly interpreted that the lorry driver had stopped and had alerted the driver to its (stationary) presence.

    FWIW, advanced driving basically says don't flash your lights, simply sit still and allow drivers to come to their own conclusion as to whether it is safe to emerge.

    I'm pretty mean and very reluctant to do anything that contradicts road priorities. My pet hate is people who "kindly" let you out when there is nothing else around (e.g. right turners who stop short of the junction frantically waving at you when they could have driven straight round and then there would be no conflict) - it delays both drivers. They never get an acknowledgement from me.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 14th Mar 18, 11:33 PM
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    Whether he enjoys it is irrelevant - he is right.

    The only legal meaning of flashing lights is to alert road users to the vehicle's presence.

    The witness can confirm that the lights flashed, but he cannot know the driver's intent.
    Originally posted by Car 54
    I believe the relevance isn't that you can't know the drivers intent.
    Its that another driver flashing/waving you out you doesn't give you priority. The onus is still on you to ensure you can do so safely.
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    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 15th Mar 18, 5:47 AM
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    I'm pretty mean and very reluctant to do anything that contradicts road priorities. My pet hate is people who "kindly" let you out when there is nothing else around (e.g. right turners who stop short of the junction frantically waving at you when they could have driven straight round and then there would be no conflict) - it delays both drivers. They never get an acknowledgement from me.
    Originally posted by IanMSpencer
    Yes this also, always happen as above, same street too always.

    Sometimes they sit there waiting to turn right, and just looked you, then get annoyed "yes what do you want?!" I think. Often as well you can't see their hands waving.

    Other ones annoy are the ones that flash you to warn of a speed camera ahead, I pulled over once thinking there was something wrong with my car as 3 drivers flashed me!!
    • nicechap
    • By nicechap 15th Mar 18, 5:50 AM
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    The overtaking car, had to travel the length of the lorry in order to be in collision with OP's car.

    It was on the "wrong" side of the road, turning across the path of the OP as struck front wing whilst entering the 'lane'. Therefore the collision happened before OP had completed their manoevre to join the traffic in front of the lorry on other side of road.


    Loads of time and visual space for both of them to stop and avoid the accident.
    Last edited by nicechap; 15-03-2018 at 7:41 AM.
    Quote was right and saw into the future.
    • IanMSpencer
    • By IanMSpencer 15th Mar 18, 7:16 AM
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    Here's one I made earlier (first incident). I could sense everyone watching everyone else and the black and red cars decided simultaneously to make their move. I was amazed that the black Corsa carried on. 50/50.

    Interesting in the context of this thread as visibility ok yet 2 drivers came within a few feet of a head on and didn't seem to react.

    https://youtu.be/NOFcvU0QVIc
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