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    • Pokey86
    • By Pokey86 13th Mar 18, 2:19 PM
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    Parking Fine - NCP - Sheffield
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    • 13th Mar 18, 2:19 PM
    Parking Fine - NCP - Sheffield 13th Mar 18 at 2:19 PM
    Hi All,

    I've been the keeper of a car for about 8 years but in the space of two weeks the driver has been caught by parking fines for nearly identical issues. (The driver has never had a parking fine before)

    I read the FAQ here, but i've already sent an appeal to both of these, so not sure if the driver can do the delay tactic that the guide walks you through

    The driver parked in Doncaster & when they went to pay the machine was clearly covered, so the driver assumed, as there were cars around without tickets, the parking spaces were up for grabs. the driver came back to a parking ticket, took a picture of the broken machine & sent it to them, this was about a month ago & they have yet to receive a response.

    ---

    The other however, was a week later in Sheffield, the driver went to pay, but again the machine was broken. That said, there were signs that stated it was 'pay by phone only' however in the drivers last experience of pay by phone you would still need a machine to print out a ticket. (This was in newcastle) so they stupidly assumed this was the same & could park there. Of course the driver came back to a ticket. They once again took a pic of the machine & went through the online appeal procedure.

    This one has replied however.

    """"Re: CPXXXXXXX issued at Sheffield Sidney Street on 25 February 2018 to vehicle with registration mark XXXXXXX

    Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the above notice number. We have considered the case carefully and have decided to reject your appeal on the following grounds;

    The Parking Attendant has recorded that the vehicle was parked without a valid payment for the parking session. The signage clearly states that cashless payments are the only available method within this location. If at the time of parking you were unable to park within the terms and conditions of the car park, an alternate parking space should be sought.

    The Terms and Conditions of which our services are provided are clearly displayed on entrance and throughout our facilities, including the requirement for motorist to ensure valid payment is clearly displayed at all times in the vehicle. We are confident that all signage and the PCN are compliant with all industry standards and to the British Parking Association's code of practice to which we subscribe"""""""""
    Last edited by Pokey86; 14-03-2018 at 12:10 AM.
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    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 13th Mar 18, 3:14 PM
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    • #2
    • 13th Mar 18, 3:14 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 3:14 PM
    If that ticket ref is genuine, then you need to edit it out ASAP..!

    Next you need to get stuck-in to the Newbies Sticky at the top of this forum. It will inform you properly and lay-out your options to see this off.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 13th Mar 18, 3:59 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 3:59 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 3:59 PM
    And VRM

    Seriously, why post personally identifiable info on a public forum? It makes no sense!
    • Redx
    • By Redx 13th Mar 18, 5:08 PM
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    • #4
    • 13th Mar 18, 5:08 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 5:08 PM
    Hi All,

    I've been driving for about 8 years but in the space of two weeks i've been caught by parking fines for nearly identical issues. (I've never had a parking fine before)

    I read the FAQ here, but i've already sent an appeal to both of these, so not sure if i can do the delay tactic that the guide walks you through
    Originally posted by Pokey86
    these are not PARKING FINES so you still have an unblemished record !!

    they are Parking Charge Notices, or INVOICES , nothing more

    no private company can "fine" you , or me , or the Queen for that matter

    remove all identifying details from post #1

    remove the VRM and any pcn ref numbers etc

    and what happened on the day in question (or days) happened to the driver

    what happened since those days happened to the KEEPER

    only use the terms DRIVER and KEEPER in your posts and nobody should be admitting to being at fault either

    it is for the PPC to prove their case, not for the unwitting keeper to make it for them
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • MalMonroe
    • By MalMonroe 13th Mar 18, 6:32 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 6:32 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 6:32 PM
    You really do need to remove all the personal info from the original post . . . but also, I'd recommend quoting Cargius vs Parking Eye - it went to court but Mr Cargius won because the judge said that all that PE had lost was the amount that should have been paid for a parking spot. (Google it, it's an interesting case.) Yours is a similar case and the company is trying to issue a penalty, which is illegal and they can't do it. All they can claim back is any parking charge you didn't pay for the space you used but they won't even get that now. DO NOT pay! Challenge. Unless you are so rich that it won't matter, that is ....
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 13th Mar 18, 6:38 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 6:38 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 6:38 PM
    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors..

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and a smaller company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They nearly always lose) and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P.

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Mar 18, 10:51 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 10:51 PM
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    • 13th Mar 18, 10:51 PM
    I'm just checking up here if it's worth persuing a challenge or should i just bite the bullet & pay,
    Why do people even ask this? It is ONLY NCP! No-one here pays them stupid money for nothing.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=74018475#post74018475

    Now you might lose at POPLA as you probably blabbed about who the driver was, in your appeals. Don't make that mistake ever again, this was easily winnable at POPLA - and now, less so!

    Give it a go, read the NEWBIES thread post #3 (about POPLA appeals) and construct a POPLA appeal. Do not write about the machine not working or the story of what happened. See the NEWBIES thread.

    Bottom line, it is ONLY NCP, not a single person here pays their fake fines. If you ask us how likely it is for them to try court, we will know you haven't done the BMPA Insight search described in the linked thread.

    We want you to realise what this is 'outrageous scam' (Hansard) is all about and why you can ignore them of you lose.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Pokey86
    • By Pokey86 14th Mar 18, 12:35 AM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 12:35 AM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 12:35 AM
    Thanks for all the replies, they were very informative. i didn't realise the structure of these 'fines' however when they throw out statements like

    PCN are compliant with all industry standards and to the British Parking Association's code
    and with the PCN's 'looking' like legitimate fines, it's easy to get nervous. It was also stupid of me to name names. I'll certainly remember this going forward.

    Bottom line, it is ONLY NCP, not a single person here pays their fake fines. If you ask us how likely it is for them to try court, we will know you haven't done the BMPA Insight search described in the linked thread.
    I have read it, the court numbers are negligible & close to 0. Does this mean if i literally ignore the PCN from here on they'll just give up the ghost? or would it be better to progress to a POPLA appeal anyway?

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41
    I watched a good hour of this? I'm curious, how long does the full process take to get these bills through & enforced? or does it vary? with this being just shy of a month it would be delightful if this were to push through soon. I remember the days of illegal clamping (before i could drive) & i'd imagine that was addressed & delt with through a similar route.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 14th Mar 18, 1:02 AM
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    • #9
    • 14th Mar 18, 1:02 AM
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    • 14th Mar 18, 1:02 AM
    I have read it, the court numbers are negligible & close to 0. Does this mean if i literally ignore the PCN from here on they'll just give up the ghost? or would it be better to progress to a POPLA appeal anyway?
    Originally posted by Pokey86
    If you ignore it, in my opinion that would make you an easy target.
    So I would expect you to be more likely to be taken to court.
    But it's all guesswork.


    I watched a good hour of this? I'm curious, how long does the full process take to get these bills through & enforced? or does it vary? with this being just shy of a month it would be delightful if this were to push through soon. I remember the days of illegal clamping (before i could drive) & i'd imagine that was addressed & delt with through a similar route.
    Originally posted by Pokey86
    Unlikely to become law until autumn at the earliest - again, just a guess, but don't rely on it saving you.
    In any case it is unlikely that any new law would be retrospective.
    .
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Mar 18, 1:11 AM
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    I did say quite clearly:

    Give it a go
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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