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    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 13th Mar 18, 11:26 AM
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    Theft of blue badges - the answer...
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    • 13th Mar 18, 11:26 AM
    Theft of blue badges - the answer... 13th Mar 18 at 11:26 AM
    Why don't they fit blue badges with ID chips - that could be read through the windscreen - by parking wardens ?
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 13th Mar 18, 1:36 PM
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    And I am also fed up with non-blue card holders lparking their 4x4's in the spaces reserved for disabled...
    What can be done about them ?
    And whilst I am on my bandwagon - how many people genuinely have mobility problems and how many are just lazy ?
    I struggle to walk and see many elderly people virtually running away from their blue badge parked cars ..
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Sometimes enforcement sometimes nothing.

    If youíre talking your local Asda youíve no more right to the space than anyone else.
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 1:37 PM
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    How?

    Once the vehicle is parked and unattended there!!!8217;s no one to compare the photo to.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Exactly - the only "constant" is the vehicle itself !
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Will it make take some monitoring, and is not ideal but it would be a start. There was a TV programme a while back where a London Borough Council officer would phone up the badge holder to see it the badge was being used legitimately or not.
    • George Michael
    • By George Michael 13th Mar 18, 1:37 PM
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    George Michael
    Well what do you suggest to combat theft of cards ?
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    I don't think there is an easy way to prevent them from being stolen but more enforcement and far harsher penalties for those caught with stolen badges or abusing the system might prevent a lot of the problems.
    The law allows for fines of up to £1000 for fraudulently using a blue badge but in reality I wouldn't be surprised to find that the average fine is far lower than this.
    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 13th Mar 18, 1:39 PM
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    I had an argument with a 4x4 woman who had parked in the last disabled space at Morrisons a few years ago - she couldn't see the error other ways and ignored me - I complained to Morrison's but they told me that they couldn't do anything...
    I stopped shopping at Morrison's
    She was not disabled by the way
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 1:41 PM
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    The real issue is not the theft but the abuse, crack down on the abuse and in turn the theft may decrease if the deterrent is big enough and seen to be being enforced.
    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 13th Mar 18, 1:42 PM
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    Will it make take some monitoring, and is not ideal but it would be a start. There was a TV programme a while back where a London Borough Council officer would phone up the badge holder to see it the badge was being used legitimately or not.
    Originally posted by Inner Zone
    At what cost ?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 13th Mar 18, 1:42 PM
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    I had an argument with a 4x4 woman who had parked in the last disabled space at Morrisons a few years ago - she couldn't see the error other ways and ignored me - I complained to Morrison's but they told me that they couldn't do anything...
    I stopped shopping at Morrison's
    She was not disabled by the way
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    What did you expect them to do?

    Thereís no legal reason she couldnít use it.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 13th Mar 18, 1:43 PM
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    Will it make take some monitoring, and is not ideal but it would be a start. There was a TV programme a while back where a London Borough Council officer would phone up the badge holder to see it the badge was being used legitimately or not.
    Originally posted by Inner Zone
    Yes, but was that because the cameras were there?
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 1:44 PM
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    Inner Zone
    I had an argument with a 4x4 woman who had parked in the last disabled space at Morrisons a few years ago - she couldn't see the error other ways and ignored me - I complained to Morrison's but they told me that they couldn't do anything...
    I stopped shopping at Morrison's
    She was not disabled by the way
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Well there will always be idiots:

    http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/16078544.Parent_refuses_to_move_parked_car_blockin g_fire_station/

    Did Morrison's own the car park?
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 1:45 PM
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    At what cost ?
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Well if it generates enough fines it may well be self financing.
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 1:46 PM
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    Yes, but was that because the cameras were there?
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    I've no idea, you would need to ask them.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 13th Mar 18, 1:47 PM
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    As a deterrent because thieves know that there is no way that they can be caught at the moment

    The ID could be tied in to the number plate
    There are approx 2.5 Million blue badges currently issued in UK - With around 3000 being stolen every year (numbers increasing due to "value" - a mobile phone could be converted to read chips - so a cheap solution is readily available
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    You haven't really thought this out, have you. A blue badge isn't tied to any one specific vehicle, the owner can use it in any vehicle they're travelling in.

    And given that local authorities issue badges who do you think would pay for such a thing.
    Last edited by neilmcl; 13-03-2018 at 1:50 PM.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 13th Mar 18, 1:49 PM
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    Just wish they would put the photo in the top side, that way it would be a lot easier to see potential abuse.
    Originally posted by Inner Zone
    Would only work if an enforcement agent was around when the BB holder (or not) was getting in or out of the car.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 13th Mar 18, 1:55 PM
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    And whilst I am on my bandwagon - how many people genuinely have mobility problems and how many are just lazy ?
    I struggle to walk and see many elderly people virtually running away from their blue badge parked cars ..
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    For someone who's supposedly has mobility issues you're coming across as very small minded and ignorant in your attitude to disability. Just because you can't obviously spot a disability doesn't mean there isn't one that requires the help a BB can give.
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 1:56 PM
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    Would only work if an enforcement agent was around when the BB holder (or not) was getting in or out of the car.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    I realise there are pitfalls, but currently you can't see the photo so even more open to abuse.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 13th Mar 18, 2:03 PM
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    I realise there are pitfalls, but currently you can't see the photo so even more open to abuse.
    Originally posted by Inner Zone
    It's very simple for a parking attendant to ask to see the badge should they so wish so I'm not sure it would make any difference, especially bearing in mind the BB owner isn't necessarily the one driving the car.
    • Geodark
    • By Geodark 13th Mar 18, 2:28 PM
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    Maybe they should be?
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Defeats the whole point if they are tied to a car and not a person. My mum has one and most of the time its my sister who drives her about, but there are times if I am down seeing her that I use it when I am taking her shopping etc.
    • Doom_and_Gloom
    • By Doom_and_Gloom 13th Mar 18, 2:35 PM
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    I had an argument with a 4x4 woman who had parked in the last disabled space at Morrisons a few years ago - she couldn't see the error other ways and ignored me - I complained to Morrison's but they told me that they couldn't do anything...
    I stopped shopping at Morrison's
    She was not disabled by the way
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    For someone who's supposedly has mobility issues you're coming across as very small minded and ignorant in your attitude to disability. Just because you can't obviously spot a disability doesn't mean there isn't one that requires the help a BB can give.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    Neilmcl is correct. I know someone who has epilepsy so has a blue badge. Heart and breathing conditions can entitle a person to getting a blue badge. All things that aren't necessarily immediately obvious like my needing a wheelchair or at least crutches. Doesn't mean the others aren't disabled.
    29 year old vegan woman. My OH is a lovely omni guy
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 13th Mar 18, 2:56 PM
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    Well what do you suggest to combat theft of cards ?
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Perhaps educating Blue Badge holders not to leave the badge on display or even in the vehicle when it is not being used would be a start.
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 13th Mar 18, 2:57 PM
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    It's very simple for a parking attendant to ask to see the badge should they so wish so I'm not sure it would make any difference, especially bearing in mind the BB owner isn't necessarily the one driving the car.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    If only. I see someone who I think regularly abuses a badge. I have informed the local council but they won't do anything unless I supply evidence, talk about passing the buck. There are the same local council regular traffic wardens patrols supposedly enforcing residents parking restrictions who could collect the evidence they require. But they seem to ignore all blue badges irrespective of potential misuse or appalling parking. I am sure this badge is being used for visitors and customers (home based car mechanic) despite the fact he has off road parking and a garage available and the local council does also offer visitor parking permits.
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