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    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 11th Mar 18, 2:03 PM
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    Suggestion of a Euro 6 estate car please
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    • 11th Mar 18, 2:03 PM
    Suggestion of a Euro 6 estate car please 11th Mar 18 at 2:03 PM
    Hi

    From April 2019 all diesel vehicles not meeting the euro 6 emission standard will incur a £10 fee on top of the £11.50 congestion charge in central london,

    I have to drive into central London every now and then paying around £250 a year. So That's probably going to mean a further £230 for driving in with a non compliant vehicle.

    I drive 15,000 miles a year currently on a petrol car and have been thinking of getting a diesel for a while. As it stands a Euro4 diesel does not attract the t charge. But from 2019 the criteria will be set to euro 6 (A HUGE LEAP).

    I am just wondering what sort of age range is a euro 6 estate car at now? Even the 2013 cars are euro 5. So in effect they want 2-3 year old disels in central London and nothing older.

    I was looking at an audi a6 avant that is euro 6 and diesel.

    Incidently my 2002 golf does not attract the T charge and wont do so for the foreseeable future. it's Euro 4 and the petrol limit stays at euro 4 come April 2019
    Last edited by seatbeltnoob; 11-03-2018 at 2:09 PM.
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    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 11th Mar 18, 2:20 PM
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    Edit, jsut went through all my autopay statements. and found out that I went into the zone 21 times last year. So a total of £220.50, I would need to pay another £210 if I drive a diesel a year.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 11th Mar 18, 4:49 PM
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    Euro6 came in from 2014, so the oldest exempt diesels will be around five years old when the charge starts.

    Petrol cars will be exempt from the charge at Euro 4 (2005-on).

    £210/year over 15,000 miles is 1.4p/mile. That is a trivial extra cost. 45mpg is 12p/mile in fuel alone, and a <5yo car is still depreciating substantially each year.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 11th Mar 18, 5:09 PM
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    AUDI Q3 have good figures for 'real' NOx emissions.

    https://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCT_RoadTested_201709.pdf

    • Typhoon2000
    • By Typhoon2000 11th Mar 18, 7:24 PM
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    • 11th Mar 18, 7:24 PM
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    • 11th Mar 18, 7:24 PM
    So if you drive in for 4 years after 2019. If will be an extra £1000 or there abouts with a non compliant car over a compliant car. So would it be worth your while buying a newer more expensive Euro 6 diesel car and will you keep it for the 5 years?
    • chrisw
    • By chrisw 11th Mar 18, 9:55 PM
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    Volvo V60? Not a massive estate but Euro 6 and 190bhp.
    • Svein Forkbeard
    • By Svein Forkbeard 11th Mar 18, 10:11 PM
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    I really don't understand why you have suddenly decided you need a diesel car?

    Last week you wanted an old diesel car to run on veg oil!

    I think you need to clarify your thinking. Get yourself a small modern petrol car.
    Last edited by Svein Forkbeard; 11-03-2018 at 10:15 PM.
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 12th Mar 18, 2:51 AM
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    • 12th Mar 18, 2:51 AM
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    Hi

    From April 2019 all diesel vehicles not meeting the euro 6 emission standard will incur a £10 fee on top of the £11.50 congestion charge in central london,

    I have to drive into central London every now and then paying around £250 a year. So That's probably going to mean a further £230 for driving in with a non compliant vehicle.
    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    Buying a more expensive car to avoid £250 extra of charges is asinine as it pales into insignificance in comparison to how much extra you'll pay in depreciation buying a Euro 6 car just to avoid this extra charge.

    I am just wondering what sort of age range is a euro 6 estate car at now?
    Euro 6 became mandatory in September 2014 so you're going to be spending the thick end of £15k to avoid £250 a year in charges.

    Here's something else to think about. I own two cars, a MX5 which does 37MPG and a diesel Mondeo which does 55MPG. I do 17,000 miles a year and doing that solely in the MX5 would cost me just £700 more than doing it solely in the Mondeo despite the 18MPG difference in fuel.

    So again back to depreciation, changing to a Euro 6 diesel car to save money on fuel and congestion charge increases will see any money you've saved on those two costs more than wiped out by the higher depreciation on the newer car than your current car.

    Edit, jsut went through all my autopay statements. and found out that I went into the zone 21 times last year. So a total of £220.50, I would need to pay another £210 if I drive a diesel a year.
    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    Which is much cheaper than spending £15k on a newer car and seeing it depreciate over 5 years at an average of £1500 a year or more.
    Last edited by Tarambor; 12-03-2018 at 2:54 AM.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 12th Mar 18, 6:29 AM
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    So again back to depreciation, changing to a Euro 6 diesel car to save money on fuel and congestion charge increases will see any money you've saved on those two costs more than wiped out by the higher depreciation on the newer car than your current car.
    Which is much cheaper than spending £15k on a newer car and seeing it depreciate over 5 years at an average of £1500 a year or more.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    A Euro 6 may well keep their value better than a petrol car of the same value, they are low emissions and low MPG.
    This fashion for buying petrol cars may revert back to diesel, maybe.

    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 12th Mar 18, 3:17 PM
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    The depreciation I mentioned isn't because of dieselgate or the current negative climate in regards to diesel cars, its a typical rate of depreciation over half a decade on a 2/3 year old car costing over £20k when new. No matter whether petrol or diesel, a Ford or an Audi it'll lose at least £1000-£1500 a year in depreciation from year 2/3 over the following 5 years.
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