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    • PositivelyPerturbed
    • By PositivelyPerturbed 10th Mar 18, 7:47 PM
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    Miserable first time buyer with buyers remorse
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:47 PM
    Miserable first time buyer with buyers remorse 10th Mar 18 at 7:47 PM
    Spent all afternoon making myself ill and crying which is totally counter productive so figured I'd come onto here for some guidance and proactive words instead.
    My husband and I scrimped and saved to buy our first house. We had no help from anyone and we have rented and lived in many hovels and dumps over the years. We moved to a much cheaper area and bought a fixed upper. We got it for a decent price and viewed it twice. It backs onto the A470 motorway in Wales. We have lived in busy city centres and by main roads before so we are not hypersensitive to noise. We have lived here for a week and had double glazing installed before we moved in. However, I am finding it insufferable and miserable living here as we failed to hear or notice the damn cattle grid that is about 30ft from the back of our house and making a heck of a racquet day and night :-( I feel ill just being here. I am already looking at secondary glazing as a matter of urgency and my husband is going to cement all around the new windows internally tomorrow instead of the expanding foam. I feel like we have made the most expensive mistake of our lives though.
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    • TamsinC
    • By TamsinC 11th Mar 18, 12:34 PM
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    I too am very noise sensitive - at night all noises become SO loud - I hear things no-one else can - I have lived near a train station, got used to it; near a runway, got used to it; in outer London ug, got used to it; at the moment we live very near the M54 (in military quarters so have no choice) for the first month I barely slept - windows closed and I could still hear the traffic. 2 years on and I sleep with the windows open and barely notice it - you will get used to it. Try to focus on the good things of the house and it will get easier. Hang in there.

    And yes see if the issue can be addressed by way of doing something to the grid itself. (Strangely I find their clunking reassuring)
    Last edited by TamsinC; 11-03-2018 at 12:42 PM.
    • Spider In The Bath
    • By Spider In The Bath 11th Mar 18, 1:26 PM
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    Hi
    We live bang next to the East coast mainline, and every 10 min you can hear but not see 125's & class 91's speed past.. the noise is very noticble then at night the freight trains rumble past making our house creak in the bedroom (I kid you not)

    At first I was worried but now I barely hear them (in the house) and when I do I find it strangely comforting.

    But health is more important than money... keep it for a year and then sell it on even if you lose a little your health is more important.
    Originally posted by Goath
    Our first house was very close to a freight train line. The whole house vibrated when the really heavily laden wagons came pass. It used to shake the ground of all the houses nearby.

    There was once an earthquake locally. It was reported widely in the news, but for us it was less violent that the shaking the trains caused.

    Couple of months after living there we stopped noticing.

    Also, no matter where you live there will always be some noise. We live in the middle of nowhere. Really nice and quiet all night... expect for the tawny owls in the garden. A friend at the other end of the village gets little owls and they screech.

    Give it time, and for now invest in a pair of noise cancelling headphones (a decent pair are not cheap £80-£150) but they may help.
    • indsty
    • By indsty 11th Mar 18, 1:36 PM
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    At the moment you are "hyper" sensitive to the noise. Some cattle grids though are in drastic need of maintenance. If it is on a Council road then check with them if it needs looking at. One near us was very rattly and they managed to "tighten it up" in some way.

    Do give it a few months though, you may find you hardly notice it.
    • victoriavictorious
    • By victoriavictorious 11th Mar 18, 1:52 PM
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    Just a thought - if OP contacted the authorities and the situation with the noisy cattle grid didn't get resolved before the property was eventually sold on, would OP be required to declare it in any future buyer's enquiries?
    • Pancake1302
    • By Pancake1302 11th Mar 18, 2:57 PM
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    As others have said, you are probably really sensitive to it just now because it's new and it's something you will probably adjust to. In the meantime, try to throw yourself into doing the house up and making it feel cosy and homey - this is your home that you can do up how you like! Buying a house is really stressful but things will get better!
    • Fosterdog
    • By Fosterdog 11th Mar 18, 3:51 PM
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    Living not far from a section of the A470 I'm wondering if you're anywhere near lol
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    I also live on along the A470 corridor and was wondering the same thing

    I wish I could record the sound and post it on here. The noise is continual from 6am through to around 9pm, and it's a unique, and very loud clunking noise. I am already looking into defra rules and directives to see if I can write to my local council about it. Oddly, houses on this street do sell pretty quickly, and I could probably sell for a profit as we have already ripped out all the Woodchip wallpaper, polystyrene ceiling tiles and old fashioned carpets (as well as installing the double glazing). We took out a 15 year mortgage, but are hoping to clear it in 8. Our only child will then have finished his schooling and be (hopefully) in his first year of university. We actually thought the location was excellent when we first looked at it - it has a major bus station 5 mins away and a train station 10mins away. It also has immediate access to the dual carriageway and lots of shops (even a Sainsbury's supermarket) a short stroll.
    Originally posted by PositivelyPerturbed
    From that description I think I know your street, I had a number of driving lessons around there and live a few miles away, am I right in assuming there is a very nice steak restaurant attached to a pub at the end of your street and you are just a five minute walk from town centre and a two minute walk from a beautiful park? If I am, small world, if I'm not then there is another street that exactly matches your description, down to every last detail.
    • PositivelyPerturbed
    • By PositivelyPerturbed 11th Mar 18, 4:19 PM
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    Yes, that is my street. Forgot about the amazing park with the outdoor lido - and the incredible Steakhouse (I absolutely love the Steakhouse chips!!). We live five doors down from the beginning of the street (right by the slip road with the offending cattle grid)! I have seen the learner drivers outside a few times. Small world indeed.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 11th Mar 18, 6:30 PM
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    Just a thought - if OP contacted the authorities and the situation with the noisy cattle grid didn't get resolved before the property was eventually sold on, would OP be required to declare it in any future buyer's enquiries?
    Originally posted by victoriavictorious
    Which question on the TA6 were you thinking of here?
    'It's a terrible thing to wait until you're ready…..Generally speaking, now is as good a time as any.' Hugh Lawrie.
    • victoriavictorious
    • By victoriavictorious 11th Mar 18, 7:15 PM
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    Which question on the TA6 were you thinking of here?
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    Question 3.1 Notices & Proposals
    "Have any notices or correspondence been received or sent (e.g. from or to a neighbour, council or government department) or any negotiations or discussions taken place which affect the property or a property nearby? If so, please give details."
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 11th Mar 18, 7:42 PM
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    Question 3.1 Notices & Proposals
    "Have any notices or correspondence been received or sent (e.g. from or to a neighbour, council or government department) or any negotiations or discussions taken place which affect the property or a property nearby? If so, please give details."
    Originally posted by victoriavictorious
    That's a great catch-all isn't it?

    My council has an internet reporting system for its roads. Last night, I reported a tree in a private garden which is overhanging at a junction and blocking a driver's view of the major road.

    Assuming the council act on this and the owner puts their house on the market, say in May, would they need to declare that?

    The cattle grid does not affect the property itself. The grid also isn't a 'property' in the sense intended in the question, so I'd say a question to Highways isn't reportable.
    Last edited by Davesnave; 11-03-2018 at 7:55 PM.
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    • rjhammond91
    • By rjhammond91 11th Mar 18, 7:50 PM
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    Yes, that is my street. Forgot about the amazing park with the outdoor lido - and the incredible Steakhouse (I absolutely love the Steakhouse chips!!). We live five doors down from the beginning of the street (right by the slip road with the offending cattle grid)! I have seen the learner drivers outside a few times. Small world indeed.
    Originally posted by PositivelyPerturbed
    It is a small world indeed! I grew up in that very town although slightly further along the A470 near the crematorium. I’m sure you’ll get used to it in time.
    • victoriavictorious
    • By victoriavictorious 11th Mar 18, 8:05 PM
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    That's a great catch-all isn't it?

    My council has an internet reporting system for its roads. Last night, I reported a tree in a private garden which is overhanging at a junction and blocking a driver's view of the major road.

    Assuming the council act on this and the owner puts their house on the market, say in May, would they need to declare that?
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    No, it's not the same situation because a neighbour's tree that overhangs a junction wouldn't affect a future buyer's enjoyment of the house or cause them distress.
    However, OP is feeling distressed by the cattle grid noise, so it seems reasonable to assume that a future buyer might feel likewise if it didn't get resolved....
    I have no idea whether it would need to be reported or not; it was just a question that occurred to me.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 11th Mar 18, 8:08 PM
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    I also live on along the A470 corridor and was wondering the same thing



    From that description I think I know your street, I had a number of driving lessons around there and live a few miles away, am I right in assuming there is a very nice steak restaurant attached to a pub at the end of your street and you are just a five minute walk from town centre and a two minute walk from a beautiful park? If I am, small world, if I'm not then there is another street that exactly matches your description, down to every last detail.
    Originally posted by Fosterdog
    Yes, that is my street. Forgot about the amazing park with the outdoor lido - and the incredible Steakhouse (I absolutely love the Steakhouse chips!!). We live five doors down from the beginning of the street (right by the slip road with the offending cattle grid)! I have seen the learner drivers outside a few times. Small world indeed.
    Originally posted by PositivelyPerturbed
    I know where you live & yes you do live not far from me lol
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    • victoriavictorious
    • By victoriavictorious 11th Mar 18, 8:14 PM
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    ...further to that, no the cattle grid itself doesn't affect the property, but the noise generated from it affects the person living in it from enjoying the property.
    Just like a neighbour's trombone/revving motorbike at 2am itself doesn't affect the neighbouring property, but the noise prevents enjoyment of it.
    I guess like many things, it's open to interpretation.
    • fudgecat
    • By fudgecat 11th Mar 18, 8:18 PM
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    Noise
    It is easy to be overwhelmed. I, too, cried when we got the keys to our house and the problems seemed to just keep coming.
    All I can say is that we did it up, lived there for 12 years and soon did not really notice the problems (or fixed it), moved on and now live in the country with no mortgage. Oh, and the noise from the road still drives me nuts - sometimes - but then I need to remind myself about the large garden, lovely neighbours, thriving social life and lovely village. It is not really a busy road most of the day.
    It WILL get better - honest!
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    • a_silver_lining
    • By a_silver_lining 11th Mar 18, 8:39 PM
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    The first day in my new flat I sat and cried on the floor as all I could hear was kids screaming. I sobbed and sobbed. I had researched and visited numerous times and believed all the flat to be one bedroom. Turns out next door has a sneaky side extension.

    I bought a radio and turned the TV up each night. I also filled the flat with furniture over time, which helped to buffer some sound. Now I survive it, and sometimes am not bothered.
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    • Mexas
    • By Mexas 11th Mar 18, 8:44 PM
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    The first house i bought was about 100 yards from the A580 in Salford. I'll be honest, the first night I actually lay in bed and cried as the traffic noise was horrendous until about 11pm! It took about a month to get used to it. Lived there happily for 4 years.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 11th Mar 18, 9:18 PM
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    No, it's not the same situation because a neighbour's tree that overhangs a junction wouldn't affect a future buyer's enjoyment of the house or cause them distress.

    I have no idea whether it would need to be reported or not; it was just a question that occurred to me.
    Originally posted by victoriavictorious
    It's a good question

    3.1 doesn't specifically ask about distress or annoyances though. Because it's so broad, I think it's interpretation is easy to misconstrue and later claim innocence.

    Also, a buyer could not claim that the noise had been hidden during their inspection or other visits to the area, like a physical fault might be, as the use of the grid is beyond anyone's control.

    Lastly, data protection protocols mean that only a legally entitled person with good reason would ever discover whether an 'enquiry' about the grid had been made. I sincerely doubt that a mis-selling court case would ever based on something like this.
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    • John-K
    • By John-K 11th Mar 18, 9:42 PM
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    I hope you're right about me adjusting to the noise - my earplugs aren't even helping and I feel tired and fed up. On top of that, our puppy is being the devil incarnate, bless him. Why is house buying so bloody horrendous in this country?!
    Originally posted by PositivelyPerturbed
    I can’t see how this problem relates to house buying in the U.K. in other countries do they relocate cattle grids when someone new moves in?
    • StumpyPumpy
    • By StumpyPumpy 11th Mar 18, 9:47 PM
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    I'm with Davesnave here, I doubt it would be notifiable, after all, the only thing the OP would be doing is letting the council know that some of its street furniture is defective. If it were a manhole cover than was clanging as people drove over it, I wouldn't declare that I'd mentioned that either. However, IANAL so I guess it is a bit of a judgement call.


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