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    • 2018d
    • By 2018d 10th Mar 18, 7:48 AM
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    2018d
    Is this a polite rejection
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:48 AM
    Is this a polite rejection 10th Mar 18 at 7:48 AM
    I re-trained last winter and have been speculatively cold calling companies to find work, even if it is initially unpaid. I had a one minute conversation with one of the 'decision makers' at a highly reputable firm. Below is the correspondence. I don't know what to make of it... is this a very polite rejection? Have I made a complete fool of myself?

    I sent this follow up email one week after the phone conversation in early December where he asked me to send over my resume.

    Hello,


    I sent a speculative enquiry (below)last week regarding an unpaid position.


    I wonder if you had a chance to look over my details.


    Please do advise me of your decision.


    Thanks


    Hi Sophia. Unfortunately we do not have any suitable openings at the current time. I will definitely keep your cv under reference for suitable junior roles in the near future.

    Best, Steve

    In mid-Feb I re-contacted him with this

    Hi Steve. Iím wondering, any Unpaid Junior roles? Anything I can do to better my chances?
    Best
    Sophia

    Response

    We really donít have any positions at the moment Sophia, although I definitely admire your energy. If anything suitable comes along I will certainly be in touch.

    Best,Steve

    I really hope so and look forward to it. Because I have research that I would like to show you then.

    Best wishes Steve

    Sophia



    Is this all just a very polite, time wasting rejection? I have had rejections many, many times in the past but they are usually direct and to the point.eg you need more experience, try again in a few years, we look for xyz qualifications.

    I also included a sample of my work in the initial email. I know that my work is 'competent' for a newbie, as the institute I trained with actually offered me job which I rejected as I did not feel I would progress in a learning environment as I would in a real work situation.

    Im looking for experienced opinions so that I can get some sense of this or closure and move on.
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    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 14th Mar 18, 5:41 PM
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    Manxman in exile
    So why the thread?
    Originally posted by pmduk

    I hope that's a rhetorical question - otherwise we could be here for another six pages!
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 14th Mar 18, 5:51 PM
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    But she said goodbye! (Not that I believed it for a minute.)
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 14th Mar 18, 6:07 PM
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    But she said goodbye! (Not that I believed it for a minute.)
    Originally posted by pmduk

    Yes!


    When I still lived on the Isle of Man it was quite common for people to turn up at the airport or ferry terminal in Douglas to wish you farewell.


    In reality they just wanted to make sure you were leaving!
    • w06
    • By w06 14th Mar 18, 6:20 PM
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    that was just when you were leaving Manxman :~)

    Can't believe this thread is still going

    I'm still chuckling at the notion of what a Russell Group uni education creates in a person (and yes I have one), and the demonstration here of what a public relations qualification does for well erm yeah ability to relate to the public

    But hang on SOAS isn't in the Russell Group is it?
    • Ozzuk
    • By Ozzuk 14th Mar 18, 6:42 PM
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    What a strange thread, OP - is one of your degrees in overthinking? Just step back, deep breath, move on.
    • BrassicWoman
    • By BrassicWoman 14th Mar 18, 6:50 PM
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    PS: not meant as reflection on your masters, Brassic, but I know from your posts on MSE that you and other posters on this thread would find it interesting,
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    Oh, mine was a hobby one some 20+ years after my original degree Indeed very interesting!
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    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 14th Mar 18, 8:59 PM
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    Manxman in exile
    What a strange thread, OP - is one of your degrees in overthinking? Just step back, deep breath, move on.
    Originally posted by Ozzuk

    As somebody who did sit on interview panels, I'd be "curious" about a candidate with three degrees, two of them masters and from two different countries. And in two completely different subjects.
    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 14th Mar 18, 10:14 PM
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    bugslet
    As somebody who did sit on interview panels, I'd be "curious" about a candidate with three degrees, two of them masters and from two different countries. And in two completely different subjects.
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    As long as you hadn't read this thread

    Not that should comment as I'm only in possession of a forklift license..
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 14th Mar 18, 10:42 PM
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    The company has my CV alongside samples of work, which states everything that they need to know about me.
    Originally posted by 2018d
    Actually, no it doesn't. You might have zero face to face interpersonal skills; you might have pinched someone else's work. Not saying you did, but I've managed to call for interview people who couldn't pass a fairly basic practical typing test.

    Not that should comment as I'm only in possession of a forklift license..
    Originally posted by bugslet
    Oh a little more than that, surely? HGV licence too?

    BTW, I have three sons. All three of them have masters degrees with first class honours (as it happens from two different Russell Group universities, although I've just had to check that!), BUT they were four year first degree courses. An MEng in computer science, an MMath, and an MChem.

    When DH graduated with his MTh, he was told that he remained better qualified than them, because a separate PG degree would always trump a first degree, even if it was a Masters. I'm not sure they believed him, but one of them is now finishing a PhD which definitely trumps him.
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    • Iamzee
    • By Iamzee 14th Mar 18, 11:32 PM
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    Iamzee
    I think the first email says it all. If they had interest they would have told you from the first email that they might consider you. It's still a polite rejection even the second email says it in a very professional manner.
    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 15th Mar 18, 8:01 AM
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    No Savvy, no HGV. I can drive a 7.5 on grandfather rights. I always meant to get my Class 1, but always something else to do. When I retire maybe
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 15th Mar 18, 8:21 AM
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    No Savvy, no HGV. I can drive a 7.5 on grandfather rights. I always meant to get my Class 1, but always something else to do. When I retire maybe
    Originally posted by bugslet
    Does that mean your granddad has to be in the cab with you, bugslet?
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    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 15th Mar 18, 11:47 AM
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    Does that mean your granddad has to be in the cab with you, bugslet?
    Originally posted by Smodlet
    Both of them Smodlet, it's very cosy
    • Wyndham
    • By Wyndham 15th Mar 18, 12:12 PM
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    But hang on SOAS isn't in the Russell Group is it?
    Originally posted by w06
    You're right, it isn't! They have a campus around Russell Square though, maybe that's the confusion
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 15th Mar 18, 12:52 PM
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    that was just when you were leaving Manxman :~)

    Can't believe this thread is still going

    I'm still chuckling at the notion of what a Russell Group uni education creates in a person (and yes I have one), and the demonstration here of what a public relations qualification does for well erm yeah ability to relate to the public

    But hang on SOAS isn't in the Russell Group is it?
    Originally posted by w06
    It would appear not. This is a list of the 24, but no mention of School of Oriental and African Studies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Group
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 15th Mar 18, 2:45 PM
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    As long as you hadn't read this thread

    Not that should comment as I'm only in possession of a forklift license..
    Originally posted by bugslet

    bugslet - you are concrete proof of something a number of OPs on this board should remember.


    Not having a degree does not mean someone is not intelligent. But more importantly, having a degree (or two or even three) does not necessarily mean that someone is intelligent. I know this because my wife constantly has to remind me!


    Doesn't mean someone is employable either!


    Incidentally, one of the academically highest qualified (and very intelligent) people I ever knew spent his whole working life as a 'bus driver. And he seemed to be perfectly happy and content with that choice. Good for him!
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 15th Mar 18, 3:04 PM
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    Manxman in exile
    It would appear not. This is a list of the 24, but no mention of School of Oriental and African Studies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Group
    Originally posted by LilElvis

    I'd assumed it was as one of the former University of London collegiate members. (I understand that they are all individual universities now and confer their own degrees. I know my LSE masters in 1983 was a University of London degree).


    SOAS is obviously very specialised. When I was doing my LLM I knew many fellow students across several UoL colleges, but none from SOAS.
    • diggingdude
    • By diggingdude 16th Mar 18, 12:32 AM
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    What a great thread. For the record my Masters came with Merit so some do come with classifications. Could have got a distinction but spent too much time failing to attract the ladies This must have been a troll thread surely?
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    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 16th Mar 18, 7:57 AM
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    bugslet
    I know this because my wife constantly has to remind me!



    Incidentally, one of the academically highest qualified (and very intelligent) people I ever knew spent his whole working life as a 'bus driver. And he seemed to be perfectly happy and content with that choice. Good for him!
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    Aw shucks Manx. And wiser to not argue with Lady Manx, leads to a more harmonious life.

    I've known a few truckers with a couple of degrees, they prefer driving, it's simply a lifestyle choice.
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 16th Mar 18, 3:34 PM
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    I actually think that there is a place for media studies as an academic discipline. I'm sure that you (like me and many other posters here) are well aware of the bias represented in many media outlets. Anything that helps consumers of the media to understand that bias must be a good thing - so long as it's academically rigorous and unbiased itself!
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    Consumers of the media don't need three years of study to know that the media (like the humans that write it) is biased.

    Everyone including your younger relatives is well aware that the media they consume is biased, in the same way that people are perfectly aware that Big Macs are full of crap. What nobody wants to admit in both cases is that this is exactly why they buy them.

    If they want to study for three years, they should study something that helps them become less biased. Not wallow in it. Why spend three years studying something that you know is mostly rubbish?
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