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    • fluke13
    • By fluke13 8th Mar 18, 8:19 AM
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    PIP assessor
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    • 8th Mar 18, 8:19 AM
    PIP assessor 8th Mar 18 at 8:19 AM
    Are you allowed to ask a PIP assessor what qualifications/field they are in. Would this annoy the assessor?
    Just wondering what back ground other peoples assessors are in.
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    • Danday
    • By Danday 8th Mar 18, 4:19 PM
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    Brilliant replies from both PM & Pen. The DWP as well as the government know full well that the main reason for a Tribunal to overturn a decision is down to evidence. Ironically as has been said, the majority of cases using 'new' evidence is that the claimant gives it orally at the hearing - hence why the reason more cases are overturned if you attend. Basically this oral evidence and questions on it should have happened at the assessment. Unfortunately this does not always happen. Be it that the assessor thinks that the claimant is overstating their problems or that the assessor just doesn't listen and is unable to question the claimant properly.
    This is highlighted by the fact that the case you mention where a physio carried out the assessment with little or no knowledge of the real effects that a mental health causes whereas a doctor of many years of experience sitting on the panel is able to understand more and can effectively raise questions on the subject.
    It is clear that the DWP instruct the claimant that they are NOT responsible for collecting physical written evidence to support their claim other than to send in what is to hand at the time. Slowly I am hearing suggestions from that the claimant SHOULD gather additional evidence but they simply cannot say that to the claimant at the moment. When PIP was agreed on by the Government, they made it clear (and through the subsequent reviews) that unlike DLA, it was down to the DWP and/or their agents to seek evidence in support of, or not, of the claim being made.
    So without assessors not being of the right quality and the DWP not looking for further evidence nothing is going to change any time soon.
    • kpwll
    • By kpwll 8th Mar 18, 9:13 PM
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    Assessors also twist & spin things, they can contradict themselves in the reports and they can outright lie.

    After sending in every scrap of evidence that you can & making sure that you thoroughly explain which part of the descriptor you meet, hope & pray you get a decent assessor that listens to what you actually say instead of what they think you should be saying.

    Sorry if I have offended anyone with my assessment of the assessors.

    The DWP should be making it compulsory for every assessment to be recorded and filmed.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 8th Mar 18, 10:04 PM
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    Although thinking further, the system can't be good for the assessors either. I imagine a physiotherapist hearing detailed descriptions of severe mental illness must find it very difficult, especially if the claimant comes across as threatening. And a mental health professional having to grapple with details about joints or severe bowel problems must struggle similarly.

    The system is messed up on all sides.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
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