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    • PrinnyPree
    • By PrinnyPree 7th Mar 18, 7:17 PM
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    Is this asbestos in my garage? Garden office woes.
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    • 7th Mar 18, 7:17 PM
    Is this asbestos in my garage? Garden office woes. 7th Mar 18 at 7:17 PM
    Hi everyone,

    I have a timber garage in my garden that I'm worried may contain asbestos, I really want to remove the garage and put up a garden office in its place, don't suppose anyone can spot by pics if it's asbestos or not please?

    (won't let me post pics they are images below I've split, don't know how else to get round it :/)
    ibb.c
    o/jhaGOS

    ibb.c
    o/dPSViS

    ibb.c
    o/kj5GOS

    Should I get it tested or just start asking for quotes as if it is asbestos? It's 2.5m x 8m if it ends up being asbestos how much should it cost to demolish and remove? :/ Was hoping I could just get a tip and do it myself with a sledgehammer, but will get the right peeps in to do it proper if its the bad stuff.

    Cheers x
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    • InsertWittyName
    • By InsertWittyName 7th Mar 18, 7:26 PM
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    http://ibb.co/jhaGOS
    http://ibb.co/dPSViS
    http://ibb.co/kj5GOS

    I am not an expert, but that roof certainly looks like the asbestos roof I had on my (similarly constructed) garage.

    I paid 485 to have it demolished and removed about 3-years ago, but it was much smaller - you could just get a small car in.
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    • ariba10
    • By ariba10 7th Mar 18, 7:45 PM
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    It looks to me to be Asbestos Cement.

    I removed ours and took it over to the local council tip.

    They were quite happy to accept it providing it was double bagged in plastic.
    I used to be indecisive but now I am not sure.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 7th Mar 18, 8:00 PM
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    • 7th Mar 18, 8:00 PM
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    ....don't suppose anyone can spot by pics if it's asbestos or not please?
    Originally posted by PrinnyPree
    It's impossible to tell just from pictures, it is only possible to guess from experience. But looking at that roof I'd guess about 90% certain it contains some level of asbestos fibre.

    Should I get it tested or just start asking for quotes as if it is asbestos?
    Originally posted by PrinnyPree
    You are looking at a large area of roof, so it will probably pay to get someone in to test. No point paying a contractor to treat it as high-risk if it isn't.

    Also, be aware that some contractors will tell you it is completely harmless and set to work on it with sledgehammers. You'll be the one picking up bits of asbestos from all round your garden for the next few years.

    Was hoping I could just get a tip and do it myself with a sledgehammer, but will get the right peeps in to do it proper if its the bad stuff.
    Originally posted by PrinnyPree
    All asbestos is "bad stuff". The difference is in the kind of fibre (blue, brown, white), the form (compressed or loose fibres, asbestos cement etc), and the condition. White fibres in asbestos cement in good condition is at the low end of the risk range, but that doesn't mean it is 'safe', only that the level of measures you need to take when working with it are far lower than say working with loose blue fibres.

    As the client - and the person who will be living with the consequences of a bad contractor - it is worth reading up on the subject. The best source of information is the HSE website.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/

    Finally, you also need to get someone to look at the white panels on the inside walls of the garage. The quality of the pictures is too low to tell, but flat asbestos sheet was also used for garage walls and insulation. These flat sheets often have much higher levels of asbestos, and are more prone to damage. Until I'd taken a good look at them I'd treat the walls as potentially a much higher risk than the roof. So for that reason getting a competent contractor or testing company in would be a good plan.
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    • stator
    • By stator 7th Mar 18, 9:05 PM
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    The dimpled back is very common on asbestos cement
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    • PrinnyPree
    • By PrinnyPree 7th Mar 18, 9:35 PM
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    • 7th Mar 18, 9:35 PM
    Thankyou so much for the replies everybody, I will get a specialist contractor to do the removal if it turns out to be asbestos, and sorry I meant all asbestos was the bad stuff I meant I would demolish myself if it was just fiberglass and normal roofing.

    I guess I better just get it tested I've been quoted over 125 + VAT just for a specialist to do that though :/
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    • By Bigphil1474 8th Mar 18, 8:48 AM
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    OP, check the cost of testing and removal if not asbestos, versus removal and assume it's asbestos without the testing. I'd find an asbestos removal company and ask them for a quote on the assumption the panels are all asbestos containing. If it's in good condition, it might not be as expensive as you think.


    Also, if any contractor turns up with a sledge hammer, tell them to go away. The safest way to remove asbestos panels is intact in one piece i.e. remove the screws, remove the panel. Smashing them up is a bad idea as it releases the fibres into the atmosphere. They may have safe ways of breaking it up though.
    • stator
    • By stator 8th Mar 18, 10:35 AM
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    If there is a small piece broken off, you can send it for testing yourself for about 25. Just follow the instructions regarding safety
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    • PrinnyPree
    • By PrinnyPree 8th Mar 18, 10:35 AM
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    • 8th Mar 18, 10:35 AM
    Okay this is a quote I have just got this morning on the assumption it is asbestos.



    Thanks for your interest in our range of services.
    We are licensed with the Environment Agency No. CB/BM/3886JY to remove/transport asbestos and we specialise in the removal of sectional garages.
    With your photos, we're quite sure that your building has both bonded asbestos side panels and roofing plus it is lined on the outside. Given this, then our fixed price for removal would be 1,290inc. VAT
    We are never knowingly beaten on price; ask about our PRICE MATCH PROMISE.
    For a further cost we break-out concrete floors or dispose of garage contents although each we would quote only once our operatives have attended site.
    Our present lead time is three to four weeks.
    Here's why we believe that we're the ideal choice:
    • A Which? Trusted Trader
    • A family run firm, with over 25yrs experience in garage repair, removal and replacement
    • All work is carried out nationwide by our own specialist staff, not sub-contractors
    • We're licensed asbestos garage removers, registered with the Environment Agency No. CB/BM/3886JY
    • All our work complies with current Hazardous Waste Regulations
    • Competitive Prices with PRICE MATCH PROMISE
    • We always work in accordance with good building practices and our employees are provided with all the correct personal protective equipment.
    • We operate through some of the UK's largest landfill sites.
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    • Each garage demolition is completed in just one day and with the minimal of fuss
    If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to enquire.
    Planet Garages, Lidget Compton Building Specialist

    Edit: TBF I was expecting the quote to be much worse and start with a 2, now the question is do I pay to have it tested or just assume it's asbestos and not waste any more money confirming what most people suspect. (I'm unsure whether I would be confident cutting a piece out to send to test myself safely)

    Thankyou for the advice
    Last edited by PrinnyPree; 08-03-2018 at 10:42 AM. Reason: additional comment
    • firefox1956
    • By firefox1956 8th Mar 18, 10:44 AM
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    Sounds about the right sort of price to me.
    Although of course I am not an expert in asbestos removal.
    • andrewf75
    • By andrewf75 8th Mar 18, 11:22 AM
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    I'd get it tested as mine looked very similar and turned out to not contain asbestos. You can buy a kit online for 40 just break a bit off and send away. 40 won't add significantly to the cost if it is positive but may save you a lot if it comes back clear!
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    • By andrewf75 8th Mar 18, 11:59 AM
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    Just saw the bit about not being sure how to cut a bit out. Mine had huge cracks in so was easy as was falling apart anyway but you should be able to just snap a bit off the edge with pliers?
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 8th Mar 18, 9:27 PM
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    Edit: TBF I was expecting the quote to be much worse and start with a 2, now the question is do I pay to have it tested or just assume it's asbestos and not waste any more money confirming what most people suspect. (I'm unsure whether I would be confident cutting a piece out to send to test myself safely)
    Originally posted by PrinnyPree
    I think at this stage I'd get a couple of other quotes to confirm the figure is realistic and decide on testing on the basis of what the other quotes come back at.

    For me the idea of breaking lumps off for testing isn't a great plan unless you really need to. But specifically the quote seems to confirm what I suspected which is the walls might be asbestos too. Flat sheet 'asbestos' has a far greater range of types (i.e. risk levels) than corrugated roofing sheet and I really wouldn't want to be breaking lumps of that without knowing already what I was dealing with. So for me it would either be a case of getting a professional in to take a sample, or else to work on the assumption it is asbestos and pay for the removal accordingly.
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    • PrinnyPree
    • By PrinnyPree 8th Apr 18, 4:53 PM
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    Got it properly tested for approx 100 inc VAT (called someone out in the end as I was frightened) and it turned out to be asbestos on both the roof and the walls, thanks everyone for the advice.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 9th Apr 18, 1:29 PM
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    Got it properly tested for approx 100 inc VAT (called someone out in the end as I was frightened) and it turned out to be asbestos on both the roof and the walls, thanks everyone for the advice.
    Originally posted by PrinnyPree
    Thanks for the update.

    It would be interesting to know what types were found (blue, brown, white) and whether the walls were asbestos cement, or another kind of asbestos product.
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    • PrinnyPree
    • By PrinnyPree 9th Apr 18, 2:43 PM
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    Total Number of Samples 2 Date Analyse
    26/03/2018
    Scope
    -
    iT Ref
    Number
    Client Sample
    Identification
    Sample Location
    and details
    Sample/Material
    Type
    Analysis Result
    Content
    BS002998
    1
    Roof
    -
    Cement panels
    Cement Product
    Chrysotile +
    Crocidolite
    Positive
    BS002999
    2
    Walls
    -
    Cement panels
    Cement Product
    Chrysotile +
    Crocidolite
    Positive

    sorry the info copied in a stupid vertical format >_<

    Basically Chrysotile (white) and Crocidolite (blue) found in both the roof and walls.
    Last edited by PrinnyPree; 09-04-2018 at 6:47 PM. Reason: added the colours of asbestos
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 9th Apr 18, 10:28 PM
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    sorry the info copied in a stupid vertical format >_<
    Basically Chrysotile (white) and Crocidolite (blue) found in both the roof and walls.
    Originally posted by PrinnyPree
    Much appreciated. Given the presence of Crocidolite the cost of the testing and taking a cautious approach was a good plan.

    It's a useful reminder to people that the idea asbestos cement is 'safe' is a myth - the type of fibres you might be exposed to dealing with this stuff is highly variable.

    Hopefully you'll be able to get a competent contractor to remove it safely without breaking the bank.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
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