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    • firefox1956
    • By firefox1956 7th Mar 18, 8:02 AM
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    Panasonic TX40EX700B
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    Panasonic TX40EX700B 7th Mar 18 at 8:02 AM
    Panasonic TX40EX700B
    40 inch 4K Ultra HD HDR Smart LED TV Freeview Play

    Fancy a change of TV & been looking at this one at Richer Sounds.
    Looks like a good deal to me & has a 6 year warranty.
    £449.00

    Any comments on it ???
    Last edited by firefox1956; 07-03-2018 at 8:15 AM.
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    • Gillor
    • By Gillor 7th Mar 18, 8:30 AM
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    For what it's worth, Which? only gave this model 59% saying that it failed to impress, with unnatural colour, loss of detail in shadows, slow to start up and poor sound
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 7th Mar 18, 8:47 AM
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    Ask @wallofbeans on their http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5803716&page=2 thread as that's what they've got although they are getting a soundbar for it so I'm guessing the sounds not great (pretty typical for any flat panel really).
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 7th Mar 18, 8:48 AM
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    As an aside (or not maybe) is there any point in having 4K at just 40" screen size?

    Edit: Genuine question as I don't have a clue.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 7th Mar 18, 10:29 AM
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    As an aside (or not maybe) is there any point in having 4K at just 40" screen size?

    Edit: Genuine question as I don't have a clue.
    Originally posted by Colin_Maybe
    It'll depend on how close you're sitting to the TV, anything over 6' then probably not.

    Having said that, it's particularly difficult to get decent and cheap 1080p TV now as they all going 4K so whilst the OP may not fully benefit from 4K they can still get a decent TV for the price. Personally I'd buy the Samsung UE40MU6120 or MU6400 over the Panasonic (well I did actually ).
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    • firefox1956
    • By firefox1956 7th Mar 18, 2:31 PM
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    It'll depend on how close you're sitting to the TV, anything over 6' then probably not.

    Having said that, it's particularly difficult to get decent and cheap 1080p TV now as they all going 4K so whilst the OP may not fully benefit from 4K they can still get a decent TV for the price. Personally I'd buy the Samsung UE40MU6120 or MU6400 over the Panasonic (well I did actually ).
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    What made you buy the Samsung UE40MU6120 if you dont mind me asking ??
    And whats the difference between the MU6120 & the MU6400 ??
    • jack_pott
    • By jack_pott 7th Mar 18, 2:47 PM
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    For what it's worth, Which? only gave this model 59% saying that it failed to impress, with unnatural colour, loss of detail in shadows, slow to start up and poor sound
    Originally posted by Gillor
    Which criticised my Panasonic for poor sound, but I don't think they noticed that it has two modes. Music does sound a bit thin if you listen to it on speech mode, but it's fine on music mode.
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    • WaywardDriver
    • By WaywardDriver 7th Mar 18, 2:58 PM
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    Another vote for the Samsung MU6120 series - £379, 479, 569 for 40, 50, 55in resp. Went to Currys on basis of value and good Which score intending to buy 50in but went for 55in and haven't regretted it even though only sit 10ft away. If further away would have been tempted by 58 or 60in versions.
    Set-up is Sky Q, TV, Samsung sound bar and DVD player. Sky Q and DVD player connect to TV by HDMI, sound bar by digital optical cable. Sky Q remote switches on TV and sound bar (also switches off), and controls volume.
    • H1a3rt
    • By H1a3rt 7th Mar 18, 2:59 PM
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    A lot of TV's these days have poor sound and require a sound bar of some kind.
    The other issue is the reduced sound quality of TV programming. I regularly find I have to turn my TV up to almost full and then the adverts come on and I am deafened, so it shows you the issue is not the TV.
    Anyway this TV gets decent reviews elsewhere including amazon etc. Which are not always right.
    • ballyblack
    • By ballyblack 7th Mar 18, 4:47 PM
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    Samsung or Sony for me

    Panasonic models hasn't the same quality recently
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 7th Mar 18, 4:52 PM
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    What made you buy the Samsung UE40MU6120 if you dont mind me asking ??
    And whats the difference between the MU6120 & the MU6400 ??
    Originally posted by firefox1956
    I bought it for my dad at Xmas, was originally looking at a couple of 1080p models from Sony & Panasonic but they were quite expensive for what they were and I managed to get a very good pricematch for the Samsung from John Lewis.

    Not too sure about the difference between the 6400 and 6120 tbh, the 6400 is supposed to be "better" but I doubt it's worth the extra £100.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 7th Mar 18, 6:46 PM
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    I have the Samsung 6400 in my home office £429 from John Lewis.
    Can't fault it and it is generally considered the best 40" 4K on the market.
    Anyone who tells you that you can't notice the difference on a 40" showing 4K or upscaling, doesn't own one, has sight problems or is viewing it through the neighbours window.
    As with all TV's I don't recommend relying on the inbuilt speakers for a main unit. Even a cheap soundbar will improve any of them.

    Differences between 6100 series and 6400
    Last edited by RumRat; 07-03-2018 at 6:48 PM.
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 7th Mar 18, 7:39 PM
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    I have the Samsung 6400 in my home office £429 from John Lewis.
    Can't fault it and it is generally considered the best 40" 4K on the market.
    Anyone who tells you that you can't notice the difference on a 40" showing 4K or upscaling, doesn't own one, has sight problems or is viewing it through the neighbours window.
    As with all TV's I don't recommend relying on the inbuilt speakers for a main unit. Even a cheap soundbar will improve any of them.

    Differences between 6100 series and 6400
    Originally posted by RumRat
    Nobody has said that but what has been stated, and scientifically backed up, is that there is a clear correlation between the size of screen and the distance you sit which will determine whether you can actually resolve the extra detail a 4K TV can put out.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 7th Mar 18, 11:50 PM
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    Nobody has said that but what has been stated, and scientifically backed up, is that there is a clear correlation between the size of screen and the distance you sit which will determine whether you can actually resolve the extra detail a 4K TV can put out.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    I didn't say that anyone on the thread had, but, I knew someone would be along with the size distance argument.
    I'll stand by my post, anyone who actually owns one will tell you that you can tell the difference when viewing 4K content.
    I view mine from about 7 feet away and that's 2 feet over the recommended distance. So much for science....
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 8th Mar 18, 4:09 PM
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    As an aside (or not maybe) is there any point in having 4K at just 40" screen size?

    Edit: Genuine question as I don't have a clue.
    Originally posted by Colin_Maybe
    For the resolution, unless you're sat no more than 4/5ft away then no. However if you get HDR as well then its worth it just for that.

    For reference....this is based on the occular arc of the human eye.

    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 8th Mar 18, 4:36 PM
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    Anyone who tells you that you can't notice the difference on a 40" showing 4K or upscaling, doesn't own one, has sight problems or is viewing it through the neighbours window.
    ...
    I'll stand by my post, anyone who actually owns one will tell you that you can tell the difference when viewing 4K content.
    I view mine from about 7 feet away and that's 2 feet over the recommended distance. So much for science..
    ]
    Originally posted by RumRat
    Stand by your post enough to put £100 on it?

    You probably can tell the difference between 1080p content and 4K content on the same TV but I doubt you could on a 1080p TV and a 4K one both calibrated to the same standard so they were displaying the same identical picture in reference to brightness, contrast and colour reproduction.

    Somehow I doubt you have eyeballs different ot the rest of the human race which is what you'd need to actually see a difference based on resolution alone. Most of the time the difference is actually because of better contrast and colour reproduction over their old TV, not the 4K. And as I said much of the time it is actually because the 4K content is in HDR.

    I don't scrimp on my TVs, I buy them based on picture quality and in particular contrast ratio and whether it is HDR or not. Consequently my recent TV history is a 42" 1080p Panasonic TXP42G20B Plasma, 55" 1080p LG 55EC930V OLED which I had professionally calibrated personally by Vincent Teoh which gives you an idea of how serious I take it and my current one is a 55" 4K LG 55B7V OLED which I was forced to end up with having accidentally cracked the screen on my 55EC930V and it no longer being available to buy.

    Everyone who used to come to my house used to think my 55EC930V was a 4K TV because of the image quality and were surprised to find it wasn't. Watching 4K content on my current 4K OLED TV looks no different than 1080p content did on my 55EC930V. 1080p UPSCALED content on my 4K TV doesn't look as good as native 4K does because of the upscaling which tends to result in soft edges which didn't appear on my 1080p screen.

    If you think it is all rubbish, "so much for science" and you can tell the difference between 10880p and 4K on a 40" TV at 7ft and the chart I posted above is utter rubbish then I challenge you to do this, film it whilst you're doing it and upload it to Youtube.

    1) Get a blank sheet of A4, stick it on a wall. I would say to be really accurate and represent the real world to use a picture as you don't spend all day watching a completely blank white screen but I'll even skew this test massively in your favour by giving you a completely blank sheet of A4, that is how confident I am.
    2) Give someone a pencil or pen, give them instructions that when you leave the room to put the smallest dot they can on the sheet no bigger than half a millimetre then walk out the room so you can't see them whilst they make that dot.
    3) WHILST BEING FILMED start from the opposite side of the room and walk towards the paper try to find the dot. When you think you can see the dot guide the other person to point out where it is. When you've got it right then stand still and get the other person to measure the distance to your eye from the wall.
    Congratulations, you've just measured the distance you can get full benefit of 1080p on a 40" screen but not enough to get any benefit from 4K. The dot pitch on a 40" 1080p TV is 0.4612mm.sq, about the same as a pencil dot on paper. I've just done this with the missus and it was 76 inches which works out in line with that chart I posted.

    The dot of a 40 inch 4K TV is 0.2306mm so if you want to do it for 4K on a 40 inch screen you need to replace the pencil mark with a pinprick from the smallest pin you can find or a dot from a very sharp pencil.
    Last edited by Tarambor; 08-03-2018 at 5:14 PM.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 8th Mar 18, 6:55 PM
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    Stand by your post enough to put £100 on it?
    etc. etc etc.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    You seem to be obsessed with this.
    Congratulations on spending so much of your life trying to get your picture perfect.
    You can call me a liar all you want, it won't make any difference. I found from experience, it's pointless entering into any debate with an obsessive. The posts just get longer and longer (as above).
    I'm glad you are happy with your TV and you win the bragging rights.
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    • The_Biff
    • By The_Biff 8th Mar 18, 8:10 PM
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    I've just bought the SamsungUE40MU6120K from Richer Sounds £349 with 6 yr guarantee. Great picture and excellent sound. Remote control could be better (lacks logic). I studied Which? magazine before buying. (Anyone can try Which?magazine for £1 for a month- well worth it for large purchases)
    Nice to save.
    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 8th Mar 18, 8:33 PM
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    (Anyone can try Which?magazine for £1 for a month- well worth it for large purchases)
    Originally posted by The_Biff
    It must've changed a lot then.
    Tall, dark & handsome. Well two out of three ain't bad.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 9th Mar 18, 10:07 AM
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    It must've changed a lot then.
    Originally posted by EssexExile
    Not sure what you mean

    I often start the Which trial for £1 when I'm looking to make a household purchase, it's been quite useful.
    Last edited by neilmcl; 09-03-2018 at 10:25 AM.
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