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    • Korkyb
    • By Korkyb 6th Mar 18, 7:00 PM
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    Servicing Car - Garage or "DIY"?
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    Servicing Car - Garage or "DIY"? 6th Mar 18 at 7:00 PM
    Hi all


    My wife's car is about to hit 3 years old and so will be out of its manufacturers warranty (Renault).


    I'm wondering whether to continue with getting it serviced at the Garage or using the services of a friend.


    Said friend is a highly skilled engineer and I trust him and the work he does 100%. (he looks after my daughters older car and done some work on my own vehicle).


    I know we wont then have a "service record" for the car but we plan to keep the it for a good few years to come so am not sure how much of a effect that would have.


    Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 6th Mar 18, 7:09 PM
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    Oil change air and oil filters pollen filter are still DIY, keep receipts for the oil and stuff that you buy.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 6th Mar 18, 7:18 PM
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    He may not have a nice posh stamp but he can still mark the service down in the book.
    • daveyjp
    • By daveyjp 6th Mar 18, 7:23 PM
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    Double check your warranty period. From 2012 Renaults had 4 year warranties. It reduced to 3 in January this year.
    • Korkyb
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    Thanks all !


    Double check your warranty period. From 2012 Renaults had 4 year warranties. It reduced to 3 in January this year.
    Originally posted by daveyjp


    Looks as if you are correct.


    I had just assumed that it was 3 years.


    I'll have to check the paperwork tomorrow but looks as if it will be getting at least 1 more garage service :-)


    https://www.renault.co.uk/owners/renault-assistance/warranties.html
    • adonis
    • By adonis 6th Mar 18, 8:28 PM
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    So if a car is 5 or more years old is there any benefit in paying for a garage service if you are willing and able to service it yourself,

    will it make much difference in price if you decide to sell it,
    excluding top price cars .
    • Ectophile
    • By Ectophile 6th Mar 18, 10:19 PM
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    So if a car is 5 or more years old is there any benefit in paying for a garage service if you are willing and able to service it yourself,

    will it make much difference in price if you decide to sell it,
    excluding top price cars .
    Originally posted by adonis
    It depends on the buyer. If I'm buying a second-hand car, I like to see a book full of stamps. It doesn't bother me too much if they are from an independent garage.

    If it's somebody's hand-written scrawl, then I don't know if they have really serviced it or just changed the engine oil every now and then.
    If it sticks, force it.
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    • parking_question_chap
    • By parking_question_chap 6th Mar 18, 10:27 PM
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    It depends on the buyer. If I'm buying a second-hand car, I like to see a book full of stamps. It doesn't bother me too much if they are from an independent garage.

    If it's somebody's hand-written scrawl, then I don't know if they have really serviced it or just changed the engine oil every now and then.
    Originally posted by Ectophile
    I would not touch a car that has been "serviced" by a friend of the owner.

    If you are going to run it into the ground and be the last owner then go for it.

    Problems might arise though if the friend misses something or does something incorrectly and causes damage.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 6th Mar 18, 11:00 PM
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    It depends on the buyer. If I'm buying a second-hand car, I like to see a book full of stamps. It doesn't bother me too much if they are from an independent garage.

    If it's somebody's hand-written scrawl, then I don't know if they have really serviced it or just changed the engine oil every now and then.
    Originally posted by Ectophile
    ...whereas a proper stamp is definitely proof positive...
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122892544636

    I keep a spreadsheet per car of all work I do on them - date, mileage, work. If I'm selling, that gets emailed to any seriously interested potential buyer before they come and look.
    • takman
    • By takman 7th Mar 18, 12:30 AM
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    I would not touch a car that has been "serviced" by a friend of the owner.

    If you are going to run it into the ground and be the last owner then go for it.

    Problems might arise though if the friend misses something or does something incorrectly and causes damage.
    Originally posted by parking_question_chap
    I service all my cars and i can show receipts of all the items bought, give a detailed explanation of what I did and sometimes even some pictures. I do it myself so I know it's done properly and with care.

    So you wouldn't touch any my cars yet you would happily buy a car which has a nice set of stamps but no further details showing what was done?
    • benten69
    • By benten69 7th Mar 18, 7:36 AM
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    I DIY my own car, my girlfriends car and my mums car. Mums car is a 2013 plate Audi that only just came out of warranty a year ago. Even did the S-Tronic gearbox oil service for her as I have VCDS (a version of VW / Audi diagnostics for those who don't know).

    I would much rather buy a car from someone with stacks and stacks of receipts for parts purchased than just a book of random stamps. As mentioned above, you can buy stamps from eBay, I have even seen sellers who are selling genuine Audi service stamps and will put any dealer address you request. A book of stamps means nothing.

    These days VW / Audi keep their service records in their online system which can't be faked and gives you more comprehensive information on the work performed at each service, but they charge an arm and a leg for their work.

    I mean £170 for an "interim service" which is just an oil & filter change. Genuine oil (Castrol Edge 5w-30) can be had for under £50 and a MANN oil filter (they make the genuine oil filters for Audi, even the filters you buy from Audi have their name on it) can be had for under £10. So why pay Audi £170 when the parts cost £60 and you know you will take more time and care doing the job right than they will.

    Their "Major Service" which includes an oil / filter change + Air filter (£20), fuel filter (£20) + spark plugs (£30) is £338!!!

    Not to mention the spark plug change is only for petrol engines and the fuel filter is only for diesel engines. So they are charging you £338 when the price of parts is under £110 for a petrol or under £100 for a diesel.

    After a few services you will have saved so much money it negates and "perceived loss of value" from not having the dealer stamps.

    Reality is, if you have a stack full of receipts and proof of all the work being carried out at the right times, etc then the car will not be worth any less to someone who knows what to look for. The only people who rely on dealer / garage stamps to tell if a car has been looked after are the ones who don't know about cars.

    The only other advantage of full dealer service history is that if you have an issue outside of warranty they MIGHT give you good will, but generally their "good will" is still less than all the money you would save by DIY'ing the work, so still not worth it.
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    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 7th Mar 18, 7:50 AM
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    ...whereas a proper stamp is definitely proof positive...
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122892544636

    I keep a spreadsheet per car of all work I do on them - date, mileage, work. If I'm selling, that gets emailed to any seriously interested potential buyer before they come and look.
    Originally posted by AdrianC

    i wouldnt trust a stamp like that anyway. no name or telephone number of the garage. i would expect the receipts to be provided with the service book too, not just a stamp alone.
    • fatrab
    • By fatrab 7th Mar 18, 8:08 AM
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    The only thing I would add, especially with modern cars, is that your mate (or if you service it yourself) wont have access to software updates and latest technical service bulletins.


    You don't need to use a main dealer for servicing to keep your warranty intact either, any VAT registered garage can do it as long as they use approved parts and follow the service schedule.
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    • benson1980
    • By benson1980 7th Mar 18, 8:55 AM
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    Some buyers would be put off and others won't. I DIY'd everything on my last car and had no problem getting someone to pay top money for it. In fact they positively could not prise the keys out of my hand quick enough when I showed them the lovingly kept service records, all receipts and explanation of what I had done well above and beyond what a garage would have done.

    As long as all the receipts are kept and you could genuinely evidence that it has been cared for as well, or if not better, than by simply giving it to a garage every year I don't think you'd have any problem.

    For me I won't buy a car if someone shows me some stamps in a service book and no receipts to go with it. But for others, this is all they care about. I'd just make sure that as an owner you know what the service schedule should be and make sure your friend then does what is needed/recommended(not just oil and filter change every year) and can then evidence that its been done properly which will then appeal to those who appreciate proper diy servicing.
    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 7th Mar 18, 9:46 AM
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    I would never DIY a 4 year old car, it makes it toxic to sell to others. Every 2nd hand buyer of a 6 year old car is going to want to see garage services.

    That's coming from someone who DIY's their banger and trust my work to be of higher standard than most professional mechanics who rush everything and cut corners.

    I can do that because the car costs as much as it's cambelt and clutch job, (£700). If you car is significantly more expensive than it's cambelt and clutch job you need to take it to a garage.

    Why would you cheap out on a car you bought new anyway. I don't get the logic. If you want to save money then buy a banger.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 7th Mar 18, 10:03 AM
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    What about the 10 year anti-corrosion warranty? That'll be out of the window if your mate starts servicing it.
    • benson1980
    • By benson1980 7th Mar 18, 10:04 AM
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    My car that I referred to above was no banger. I had no issues selling
    • TheMoonandBack
    • By TheMoonandBack 7th Mar 18, 12:01 PM
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    I have recently bought a 3 year old Skoda Octavia 1.4 tsi. There is no service book, it is all on VAGs system. I got a printout from Skoda of the history and there are paper records on a little cardboard folder which replaces the service book.
    The service schedule is confusing to say the least. Different plans for long-life or time-distance, depending on annual mileage.
    The car has done 30000 miles and as far as I can tell it has basically had 3 glorified oil & filter changes and 1 brake fluid change.
    The computer on the car says it needs an oil service in about 9k miles and and inspection in 12 months/18k miles, so I suspect the last servicing dealer has not reset it properly....

    Anyway, a major service, which it appears to need next at 40k Miles is £279 at dealer, £249 at a specialist or £100 on parts for me to diy.
    If I run it for 5 years I will put another 100k miles on the clock. My rough calculation is it will cost me around £150 a year extra to have a recognised service history. After that, is an 8 year old car with 130 k miles going to be worth £750 more by having a garage history, than one with my folder of parts receipts ?
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    • lg13mza
    • By lg13mza 7th Mar 18, 2:01 PM
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    The only thing I would add, especially with modern cars, is that your mate (or if you service it yourself) wont have access to software updates and latest technical service bulletins.


    You don't need to use a main dealer for servicing to keep your warranty intact either, any VAT registered garage can do it as long as they use approved parts and follow the service schedule.
    Originally posted by fatrab

    For servicing I don't believe they have to be VAT registered. After market warranties do tend to require warranty repairs at VAT registered garages though.
    • benten69
    • By benten69 7th Mar 18, 2:40 PM
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    I would never DIY a 4 year old car, it makes it toxic to sell to others. Every 2nd hand buyer of a 6 year old car is going to want to see garage services.

    That's coming from someone who DIY's their banger and trust my work to be of higher standard than most professional mechanics who rush everything and cut corners.

    I can do that because the car costs as much as it's cambelt and clutch job, (£700). If you car is significantly more expensive than it's cambelt and clutch job you need to take it to a garage.

    Why would you cheap out on a car you bought new anyway. I don't get the logic. If you want to save money then buy a banger.
    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    "Toxic to sell"....to you maybe, but I and plenty of others out there would rather buy a car that has been loved and well looked after and DIY'd than one that has been seen as nothing more than a means of getting from A to B with a bunch of dealer stamps.

    You said it yourself, garages cut corners and don't spend much time on cars because they want them in and out to make money. Do you really think they will torque everything up to proper spec? Or just use the impact gun on full whack.

    A while ago a friend had their wheel bearing done at the garage they have used for years. Started to get a slight pulsation in their brakes at slow speeds just after the work was done so I decided to look at it for them. Turned out the garage had used an impact gun on the brake caliper bolts. Bearing in mind the caliper was aluminium, they had cross threaded the bolt, clearly with an impact without caring or noticing and the pulsing was a result of the bolt not being flush. I could wriggle the caliper with my hand, but the bolt was so badly cross threaded it snapped while removing it and I had to drill out the remains then repair the threads in the caliper.

    All because of someone in the garage rushing and not spending 10 seconds to start the bolt by hand....so yeah, anyone who relies on garage history to determine if a car is good quite simply doesn't know what they are looking at.

    What about the 10 year anti-corrosion warranty? That'll be out of the window if your mate starts servicing it.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    No it won't. Anti corrosion and mechanical are not related even a little bit. Makes ZERO difference to anti-corrosion. If you have corrosion issues they will check paint depth and the likes to ensure it has not been re-sprayed or damaged since it left the factory, nothing more. There is no way they can void a corrosion warranty based on who changed your oil or brake pads. They are not related even in the slightest.
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