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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 6th Mar 18, 2:30 PM
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    Passed ESA assessment but the report has lies
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    • 6th Mar 18, 2:30 PM
    Passed ESA assessment but the report has lies 6th Mar 18 at 2:30 PM
    And/or false claims such as it says I gave written answers to spelling questions when this never happened and results from physical moving such as bending knees, none of this occured.

    And whilst I passed there was contradictory things like about the mental health stating I never felt like suicide, I said I felt like it many times over the years but never got that far as knew it would have fallout, I mentioned I feel distant from the world and lonely they put I told them I had no issues with encoutering the world etc.

    Oh and it states I am on antidepressants and I brought them with me, I haven't been on them for 4 years as when I changed surgeries my doctor refused to prescribe them!

    Don't know to complain/stir things up!
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    • venison
    • By venison 6th Mar 18, 4:14 PM
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    Did you get into the group you expected/wanted? If so the ^^ above applies
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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 6th Mar 18, 4:53 PM
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    I got on work releated, so far better than nothing still theres so much fake information on the document such as saying she examined my upper and lower body, gave me the spelling tests, and some things that sound contradictory like truthful stuff like me sweating and being nervous and agitated but then saying "no sign of any distress"

    And saying I told her I walk 1 mile to town and same back every day, no I get the bus 1 minute from my house that is a mile from town

    It says I use a mobile phone to call my parents but I never said that in fact I told her I hate using mobile phones as they make me stress out against my ear and I prefer a landline.

    Mentions I walk up to my flat no problems every day, I live on ground floor!

    Mentions I was given counting tests, memory tests, none of this happened.

    Mentions I had no difficulty using a step to get to the couch, there was no step and it was a standard hard back chair!

    Mentions respiritory ok, how do they know that?

    This is basic things they lied/faked etc.
    • KxMx
    • By KxMx 6th Mar 18, 6:22 PM
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    • 6th Mar 18, 6:22 PM
    Is there a Support Group descriptor that you feel you meet?

    Is there something in the report, once corrected would place you in SG?

    Unless you answer yes to both of those I wouldn't bother doing anything.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 6th Mar 18, 7:00 PM
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    Well, given how tough it is to get support group no in that sense but mental health wise years back my then social worker tried to get me support group as my issues will likely never go away and Ive been out of work now for like 10 years (half of that education though) due to the mental health issues.

    So given how harshly they judge then even if they correct the things I doubt I will get support group.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 6th Mar 18, 7:29 PM
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    but I think most folk ignore a lot of the crap they write as long as they get the right award at the end of it.
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Isn't that a rather dangerous thing to say? If not by challenging the content of the report are you not leaving yourself wide open at a future re-assessment to be found to have actually said and carried out the disputed actions?

    It's like saying that you had a walking frame at the assessment, yet the assessor wrote that you were free to move around without and help. By accepting that (by not challenging it) how do you think the next assessment would go? What about the DWP? Would they not assume that the assessors report must be correct if you do not challenge it?
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 6th Mar 18, 8:38 PM
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    I thought that too, but she kept mentioning at the actual assessment about the notes/previous assessment so she was using it as a base to judge me on.

    But the main reason if shes claiming she did physical exam on me that to me screams fraud and shes likely paid to do it.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 6th Mar 18, 9:43 PM
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    That was why I think she wrote what she did, I used to live upstairs, I used to be on antidepressants at a previous assessment I reckon she just skimmed the notes and added them to her own!
    • Ames
    • By Ames 6th Mar 18, 9:48 PM
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    Please ignore Danday, he's known for being a fantasist who gives terrible advice about benefits, under several usernames.

    If you're happy to be in the WRAG and don't think you'd get into the support group then I'd leave sleeping dogs alone. It might be worth trying to see someone at CAB or another welfare rights organisation to see what they think, although getting an appointment within the one month deadline might be difficult.

    As they rarely change decisions at mandatory reconsideration stage one option could be to ask for one in order to buy more time to see CAB. This does carry the risk of losing the award you've already got though. I'm just putting it as an option, not in any way saying whether or not you should do it - it's entirely your call.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 6th Mar 18, 10:22 PM
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    Well im not technically wanting to challenge the decision but I thought I would complain that certain things claimed never happened though didn't think that would count as a reconsideration.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 8th Mar 18, 7:58 AM
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    Well im not technically wanting to challenge the decision but I thought I would complain that certain things claimed never happened though didn't think that would count as a reconsideration.
    Originally posted by dekaspace
    Any complaints about the assessment report should be sent to the assessment providers and not DWP.
    • af273
    • By af273 8th Mar 18, 12:26 PM
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    Similar happened to me with PIP. I got awarded it but was outraged they didn't give me the points for things that are real struggles.
    My husband wrote on my behalf about it, they refused to change my points, don't know if I they fully reassessed me but wanted to make a point of saying they hadn't listened to a word said.It will affect if I claim in future but at least the letter bringing this up exists.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 8th Mar 18, 2:59 PM
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    No, it's not the least bit dangerous. You're assessed based on your condition at the time of your assessment, not on your condition at your previous assessment.

    Besides, not challenging is not the same as agreeing. For some of us, the assessment is actually dangerous due to the way it affects our mental health, so risking another assessment just because the assessor is an eejit is a spectacularly bad idea.
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Unfortunately in the world occupied by the DWP and it's assessing agents, they DO work on the basis by way of assumption if you fail to try to rectify what is wrongly stated on the assessors report. The assumption is that if it isn't challenged it must be right.
    Take another example. The assessor states that you quickly walked into the assessing room unaided and not out of breath. Then at a later date the DWP accept that that could not be the case as the claimant has debilitating leg ulcers and suffers from Pulmonary Fibrosis which is evidenced by the repeat prescription. You get 0 points.
    At the next re-assessment all that the assessor sees is what the previous assessor wrote. and certainly would not have access to the MR documentation that changed the award to 12 points for mobility.
    By not challenging the contents of the earlier report with ATOS/CAPITA the assumption that they would make would be to re-iterate what was written on that earlier report.

    I have had similar, where on a re-assessment the form and previous assessment documentation was returned to ATOS, the re-assessment report was almost identical to the first report!
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 8th Mar 18, 7:32 PM
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    Another vote for leaving well alone.

    Particularly if the assessment said you were on antidepressants, when you are not.

    If you don't think you would get into the SG, then complaining / an MR could easily result in the award being taken away from you. I've seen it happen.

    Please forget it and move on.

    This is an example of why routinely requesting the PA4 report can be a bad idea.
    You will get it as part of the appeal process (if there is a need to appeal a decision- which the OP doesn't), and obsessing about inaccuracies when an award has been given can jeopardise that award or worsen mental health.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 08-03-2018 at 7:43 PM.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 12th Mar 18, 8:41 AM
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    Dekaspace, if its any comfort my PIP assessor has stated things that weren't done, plus wild assessments as to what I can and can't do that go against evidence she has already stated earlier in the report having read lol.

    If you are happy with the result, its probably not worth the hassle of complaining. We all know these assessors rarely tell the truth, unfortunately. Including the DWP. I am afraid no one really cares. Its like an unstoppable force unfortunately. People know the system is unfair and doesn't work, but no one seems prepared to do anything meaningful to stop the assessment bus or make it more honest. I wish they would.
    • ceegee
    • By ceegee 12th Mar 18, 11:52 AM
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    I understand where op is coming from. Apart from my WCA report being full of incorrect things that weren't even touched on at the assessment, the assessor said that I live at home with my son..........but I don't even have a son. MR said there were no inaccuracies in the report. It makes me sick that they can get away with blatant lies.

    Am currently gathering as much further medical evidence as possible for appeal, but I am running out of fight.
    "Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow........"
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 12th Mar 18, 9:59 PM
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    I understand where op is coming from. Apart from my WCA report being full of incorrect things that weren't even touched on at the assessment, the assessor said that I live at home with my son..........but I don't even have a son. MR said there were no inaccuracies in the report. It makes me sick that they can get away with blatant lies.
    Originally posted by ceegee
    According to my WCA report I live with my son and I live alone!!
    • Danday
    • By Danday 13th Mar 18, 12:39 AM
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    Someone is trying to change it. They recommended recording all assessments, putting a greater focus on evidence from the claimant's specialists, and bringing the assessments back in house if the outsourcing companies continue to fail to meet the quality standards, among other things.

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmworpen/829/82902.htm

    I'm waiting to see if the Government ignore it as they usually do.
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Now am I actually reading you right? PIP started in April 2013 and it's now March 2018 and for each year in between both ATOS and CAPITA have never yet met the targets set.

    So how many more years will the DWP need to decide that?
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