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    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 1:11 PM
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    DanSpooner
    Employer asking me to work Weekend + Mon-Fri
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    • 5th Mar 18, 1:11 PM
    Employer asking me to work Weekend + Mon-Fri 5th Mar 18 at 1:11 PM
    Hi there,

    I currently work in a Monday-Friday (9am-5.30pm) job and I've been asked to work at an event one weekend this month in addition to my normal working hours. This means that I'll be working from Monday 12th March with no days off until Friday 23rd March (12 days straight) and I've been offered no days off to counter the fact that I'm working that weekend.

    I'm on a salary where I am (as an employee, not self employed) and I won't be getting any extra money for working then. My contract does say the following:

    "In addition to these hours, you will be expected to work such additional hours as the company sees fit to enable you to carry out your duties effectively. For example, this may involve working the occasional weekend or weekdays at trade shows or staying overnight if visiting customers a significant distance away."

    The work on that weekend will be for a trade show which is 150 miles away so I'll be staying there from Friday (16th) night until Tuesday (20th). So I'll have a significant amount of time away from home during that period.

    Do I have any rights to ask for 2 days off to give me a break? I do understand that my contract says I'm expected to work at these events but I feel that I would need at least some time off to refresh (Plus I'll need time to do things such as wash work clothes as I only have a certain amount etc.).

    Any help would be much appreciated.
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    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 7th Mar 18, 10:39 AM
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    lol

    I knew what the world meant, you were confused. In implying there were none in the oil industry. Ohhh and many are salaried but still get paid overtime!!
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Frankly this is a waste of bandwidth now. Feel free to post a final rant, I promise I won't reply unless you claim I have said something I haven't, again.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 7th Mar 18, 10:42 AM
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    I work alongside then for crying out loud. Everyday all day!!!
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    A hospital porter works alongside a doctor. A hospital porter does not work in a professional world. A doctor does. Now I really am done.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 7th Mar 18, 10:43 AM
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    scd3scd4
    A hospital porter works alongside a doctor. A hospital porter does not work in a professional world. A doctor does. Now I really am done.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    The analogy does not work in my case and you still missed the point.......AGAIN!

    Hopefully that is your final...final rant!
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 07-03-2018 at 10:56 AM.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 7th Mar 18, 11:05 AM
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    We're quite a small office so I've been asked to do the whole event and others will come and join on certain days (so I'm the unlucky one!). The reason I'm being picked for this is because I'm the most suitable for the job.

    We were told specifically not to book these day's off back in January so to be fair they have given me time... It's just a long time with no rest days or benefits of going which is annoying!
    Originally posted by DanSpooner
    Sounds like the wording you need to use - ie in an email back to them is:

    "Can I clarify re:
    a. Expenses payable for meals out, etc.
    b. The arrangements for "time off in lieu". I assume these two days will count as extra on top of annual leave and we will be mutually arranging when it's convenient for me to have those two days off."

    It's been made quite plain to them that you know you are due for those expenses and to have two alternative days off. The onus would be on them if they are going to try and wriggle out of these (very normal) provisions.
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 7th Mar 18, 11:11 AM
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    I knew what the world meant, you were confused. In implying there were none in the oil industry. Ohhh and many are salaried but still get paid overtime!!
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Oh, for gawds sake. I worked in the electricity board IT department with some very well paid people and overtime/time off in lieu. I've done teaching where I was paid per contact hour - I don't bother any more because of the reward/effort ratio. A younger, well-paid relative works in finance, occasionally working all hours without overtime.

    You don't seem to grasp that different situations/sectors/industries have different conditions, and that it is not possible for us as commenters to really give advice without knowing all the details, including pay level.

    My personal inclination from what we know is to go and do a good job, use the opportunity to develop but keep a wary eye on how management expectations change. A bit like doing a summer school, it looks like the job will be tiring but the interest and busyness keeps you going, and I really don't think burn out will be an issue.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 7th Mar 18, 11:30 AM
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    Oh, for gawds sake. I worked in the electricity board IT department with some very well paid people and overtime/time off in lieu. I've done teaching where I was paid per contact hour - I don't bother any more because of the reward/effort ratio. A younger, well-paid relative works in finance, occasionally working all hours without overtime.

    You don't seem to grasp that different situations/sectors/industries have different conditions, and that it is not possible for us as commenters to really give advice without knowing all the details, including pay level.

    My personal inclination from what we know is to go and do a good job, use the opportunity to develop but keep a wary eye on how management expectations change. A bit like doing a summer school, it looks like the job will be tiring but the interest and busyness keeps you going, and I really don't think burn out will be an issue.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    gawd's sake.......if only you spent time reading all my posts/advise you would have a fuller picture, but then that would take some effort! One of my points with examples was that there were no certain rules and conditions!! You are stating the obvious.

    If you need more info before you offer advice, then wait but stop telling others how they have to behave and reply on a open forum. Hopefully, you can grasp that!
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 07-03-2018 at 2:23 PM.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 7th Mar 18, 12:07 PM
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    I!!!8217;d love to know the outcome of the original thread. Hopefully the op will come back & let us know the outcome
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    • greenbee
    • By greenbee 7th Mar 18, 12:20 PM
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    I!!!8217;d love to know the outcome of the original thread. Hopefully the op will come back & let us know the outcome
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    I'm not sure the OP would want to read through all the 'discussion' here.

    The contract clause is a fairly standard one. I'd suggest the next step is to look at travel & expenses policy to see what it says. It'll probably say something about laundry (everywhere I've worked laundry can only be billed if you are away 5 or 6 consecutive nights - unsurprising given the cost of hotel laundry), and also about what can be claimed for meals & travel. At events, meals are often provided so only those not provided can be claimed separately and there is likely to be a limit on how much they cost. If you're worried about laundry I'd suggest buying another couple of work shirts and/or doing some laundry mid-week the week before and the week after. If you're going to have to do more of these events you might find it helps to have a few extra shirts just in case.

    There may also be information about TOIL for working/travel days outside normal working hours - some organisations say it should be taken as soon as possible (in agreement with your manager), others allow you to add it to your holiday (I have colleagues who build up their TOIL days to help them cover childcare needs in the school holidays). If not in T&E policy it may be in your leave policy or there might be guidance within your leave booking system if you have one.

    If anything isn't clear, a quick chat with your manager to clarify how this works because it's the first time you've been asked to do it would be sensible, but make sure that it's just a 'how does this work' rather than sounding resentful or aggrieved. Your contract makes clear that this could happen, and you signed up to those terms when you took the job - the negotiation phase was an opportunity to get clarification on how many weekends/evenings etc you were likely to be asked to work and to get more detail around the implications of this clause.
    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 8th Mar 18, 10:04 AM
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    Hi Guys, thanks a lot for all of the information.

    To give you some more information for my end:

    My Salary isn't anywhere near 100k a year as some people have placed as an example. My salary is around the 30k mark plus commission.

    I do definitely agree with the networking aspects and that's one of the silver linings of this weekend of work. Commission wise, I'll probably be missing out on more by being out of the office on the Monday/Tuesday. I'm also not expecting the weekend to be a big one for sales (its more lead generation for the company in general).

    I work for a small company that really does everything by the minimum in terms of holiday, lunch breaks (I get 30mins a day in an office) and just what is expected in general. I had to go to the dentist the other day, which my employer said was fine but I can make up for. Got the earliest appointment available and was in the office at 9.45am. Yesterday he's asking if I've made up the time already (when I'm working all of next weekend for him?).

    If I worked for a company that absolutely gave its all for me and consistently looked out for me then I would morally be fine with the weekend working. But it is unfortunately one of those take, take, take workplaces which is why I wanted to know my rights in regards to working that weekend. That's not to say I don't enjoy my job, but the boss really does milk his employee's for what he can get and doesn't give a huge amount back (which hopefully explains why I asked this question in the first place). When you get treated well then you want to give back, but its a company thats moral standards aren't huge which is why I wanted to see where I stood.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 8th Mar 18, 10:14 AM
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    getmore4less
    Hi Guys, thanks a lot for all of the information.

    To give you some more information for my end:

    My Salary isn't anywhere near 100k a year as some people have placed as an example. My salary is around the 30k mark plus commission.

    I do definitely agree with the networking aspects and that's one of the silver linings of this weekend of work. Commission wise, I'll probably be missing out on more by being out of the office on the Monday/Tuesday. I'm also not expecting the weekend to be a big one for sales (its more lead generation for the company in general).

    I work for a small company that really does everything by the minimum in terms of holiday, lunch breaks (I get 30mins a day in an office) and just what is expected in general. I had to go to the dentist the other day, which my employer said was fine but I can make up for. Got the earliest appointment available and was in the office at 9.45am. Yesterday he's asking if I've made up the time already (when I'm working all of next weekend for him?).

    If I worked for a company that absolutely gave its all for me and consistently looked out for me then I would morally be fine with the weekend working. But it is unfortunately one of those take, take, take workplaces which is why I wanted to know my rights in regards to working that weekend. That's not to say I don't enjoy my job, but the boss really does milk his employee's for what he can get and doesn't give a huge amount back (which hopefully explains why I asked this question in the first place). When you get treated well then you want to give back, but its a company thats moral standards aren't huge which is why I wanted to see where I stood.
    Originally posted by DanSpooner

    when asked about making up time yet

    what you say is "NO I will be making it up at the weekend and that time will cover any appointments for the rest of the year - won't it?"

    if you are down on commission earning time you should negotiate a cut off any leads or make sure those leads fall onto your lap when they are progressed.
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