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    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 1:11 PM
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    Employer asking me to work Weekend + Mon-Fri
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    • 5th Mar 18, 1:11 PM
    Employer asking me to work Weekend + Mon-Fri 5th Mar 18 at 1:11 PM
    Hi there,

    I currently work in a Monday-Friday (9am-5.30pm) job and I've been asked to work at an event one weekend this month in addition to my normal working hours. This means that I'll be working from Monday 12th March with no days off until Friday 23rd March (12 days straight) and I've been offered no days off to counter the fact that I'm working that weekend.

    I'm on a salary where I am (as an employee, not self employed) and I won't be getting any extra money for working then. My contract does say the following:

    "In addition to these hours, you will be expected to work such additional hours as the company sees fit to enable you to carry out your duties effectively. For example, this may involve working the occasional weekend or weekdays at trade shows or staying overnight if visiting customers a significant distance away."

    The work on that weekend will be for a trade show which is 150 miles away so I'll be staying there from Friday (16th) night until Tuesday (20th). So I'll have a significant amount of time away from home during that period.

    Do I have any rights to ask for 2 days off to give me a break? I do understand that my contract says I'm expected to work at these events but I feel that I would need at least some time off to refresh (Plus I'll need time to do things such as wash work clothes as I only have a certain amount etc.).

    Any help would be much appreciated.
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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 6th Mar 18, 9:27 AM
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    It's one weekend a year, it's really no big deal. Maybe it's an opportunity for you, getting to know other people in the trade, getting your name around. Networking can be seen as a benefit. Maybe you can look at it from that perspective.
    Originally posted by FBaby


    Exactly!


    And I also add that the OP should bare in mind that they may want a favour from the employer in the future. I know I went above & beyond my duties for those employers who were good to me when I needed them to be
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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 6th Mar 18, 9:28 AM
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    gettingtheresometime
    Whatever happened to work to live and not live to work.
    Employers need to back off - they do not own us despite what the contract says. We're not going to get this time back.

    I wouldn't work more than 7 days in a row and if that causes upset in dear Management then that's too bad, personal health and a healthy work-life balance is more important.

    The working culture is sick.
    Originally posted by CC-Warrior


    Ah the 1970s is alive & well
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    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Mar 18, 9:43 AM
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    FFs. It depends on the salary. Why can't you understand?

    Many job have low salaries and paid overtime.

    Many other jobs have very high salaries and no paid overtime.

    Often the people in the latter are much better off than the people in the former.

    This is not difficult.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser

    Fitters, Engineers, Operators, Techs etc are not paid poorly in the oil industry, some are on salary. Yet still get paid o/t for extra hours worked. What don't you understand about that?


    You have no idea what this person is earning hence your comparison mean nothing..


    For crying out loud, the world is bigger than your job.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Mar 18, 9:45 AM
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    Do you understand what "if" means? The only person making assumptions and ploughing on as though they are correct is you.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser

    Well get the facts and then get back as at the moment you are just noise.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Mar 18, 9:58 AM
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    Whatever happened to work to live and not live to work.
    Employers need to back off - they do not own us despite what the contract says. We're not going to get this time back.

    I wouldn't work more than 7 days in a row and if that causes upset in dear Management then that's too bad, personal health and a healthy work-life balance is more important.

    The working culture is sick.
    Originally posted by CC-Warrior
    And when you get sacked how will you work to live?
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 6th Mar 18, 10:12 AM
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    Well get the facts and then get back as at the moment you are just noise.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    You're adding very little to this yourself mate. Still, empty vessels....
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 6th Mar 18, 10:54 AM
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    Well get the facts and then get back as at the moment you are just noise.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Jesus Christ. You are the one giving advice with no facts. Amazing lack of self awareness.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 6th Mar 18, 10:57 AM
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    ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    Fitters, Engineers, Operators, Techs etc are not paid poorly in the oil industry, some are on salary. Yet still get paid o/t for extra hours worked. What don't you understand about that?
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    And if that's what their contract states fair enough. If your contract says occasional weekends are covered by your alary, that's different.


    You have no idea what this person is earning hence your comparison mean nothing..

    For crying out loud, the world is bigger than your job.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    This applies to YOU, not me! How can you not see this? I am not telling him how to behave! You are! And you are the one acting as though there's only one possibility, the one you know!
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 6th Mar 18, 11:01 AM
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    popcorn, crisps,
    What is this life if, sweet wordsmith, we have no time to take the pith?
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    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Mar 18, 11:15 AM
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    And if that's what their contract states fair enough. If your contract says occasional weekends are covered by your alary, that's different.



    This applies to YOU, not me! How can you not see this? I am not telling him how to behave! You are! And you are the one acting as though there's only one possibility, the one you know!
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser

    Like I said........AGAIN. We don't know what the contract says other than what is quoted on here. What he shared mentions nothing about not getting paid or time banked. Hence why I said have a chat with the boss or suck it up once maybe. In the mean time I still reckon they are taking the pixx.


    Its not about what applies to me FFS its about contracts being different!!!
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 06-03-2018 at 11:19 AM.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Mar 18, 11:17 AM
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    Jesus Christ. You are the one giving advice with no facts. Amazing lack of self awareness.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser

    What facts are there to comment on, other than the info given. You are the one assuming he is on 100k. lol


    Ohhh and as for "self awareness" I am happy with my performance. Hence why I have worked for one of the largest American oil companies for nearly 21 years and never worked more than 15 minutes and not got paid. ;-]
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 06-03-2018 at 11:50 AM.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 6th Mar 18, 11:20 AM
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    Losing sight of the real issue here.

    The OP has chosen to extract what they believe are the relevant parts of the contract, the remuneration is not relevant as that is not the issue they raised.

    there issue is with time off, they may have decided to leave out the bit of the contract that covers that in relation to regular and contractual additional hours but I suspect not.

    If there is nothing in the contract then the OP needs to negotiate with the employer for alternative rest periods.

    getting extra pay does not solve the OP's problem.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 6th Mar 18, 12:25 PM
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    As for burning out I think we need a reality check here

    OP is knocking out a 9-5:30 day and this will be a couple over a weekend

    12 days 8.5hr knock 5x30mins off for lunch + lets add a few for the trade fair, 110hr max less than 40% of the time available over 12 days

    getting very tired would be loads of work prepping for the trade show meetings into the evening and processing all the proposals for the orders taken at the trade show 12hr days min 140+hrs
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 6th Mar 18, 12:31 PM
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    As for burning out I think we need a reality check here

    OP is knocking out a 9-5:30 day and this will be a couple over a weekend

    12 days 8.5hr knock 5x30mins off for lunch + lets add a few for the trade fair, 110hr max less than 40% of the time available over 12 days

    getting very tired would be loads of work prepping for the trade show meetings into the evening and processing all the proposals for the orders taken at the trade show 12hr days min 140+hrs
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Most of the "burn-out" will be caused by the beers in the hotel bar afterwards....!
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 6th Mar 18, 1:25 PM
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    What facts are there to comment on, other than the info given. You are the one assuming he is on 100k. lol
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Do you not understand English? I am assuming nothing and stating nothing. You are telling him this is unfair and advising him to act in a certain way based on your assumptions. Don't just wail again "No I'm not, you are." You are making an absolute fool of yourself.

    And I have never worked without getting paid either. You know why? Because my salary is for Mon-Fri 9 to 5 and occasional work outside those times when required.
    Last edited by ScorpiondeRooftrouser; 06-03-2018 at 1:27 PM.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 6th Mar 18, 1:29 PM
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    As for burning out I think we need a reality check here

    OP is knocking out a 9-5:30 day and this will be a couple over a weekend

    12 days 8.5hr knock 5x30mins off for lunch + lets add a few for the trade fair, 110hr max less than 40% of the time available over 12 days

    getting very tired would be loads of work prepping for the trade show meetings into the evening and processing all the proposals for the orders taken at the trade show 12hr days min 140+hrs
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    You really have no idea he'd have to do any of those things. He might be doing meet and greet and nothing else.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 6th Mar 18, 2:13 PM
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    You really have no idea he'd have to do any of those things. He might be doing meet and greet and nothing else.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    If he's taking orders on the day for those quantities, I suspect his commission will be quite high anyway
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Mar 18, 2:42 PM
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    Do you not understand English? I am assuming nothing and stating nothing. You are telling him this is unfair and advising him to act in a certain way based on your assumptions. Don't just wail again "No I'm not, you are." You are making an absolute fool of yourself.

    And I have never worked without getting paid either. You know why? Because my salary is for Mon-Fri 9 to 5 and occasional work outside those times when required.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser

    I understand English but not always drivel.


    By acting in a certain way you mean speaking to he's manager and looking into the matter more. Yes that's one of my suggesting's. Do check the others. You are the one jumping up and down saying "what if he is paid 100k" lol


    Of course its assumptions, where do you think you are..........in court? This is a forum, we work with what we have, lord help me!


    I don't care what you get paid. I just corrected you when you suggested salaried or contacted people can not get paid overtime or banked time. Hope that helps as you are making a monkey of yourselves but getting all upset that people have the audacity to disagree with you. If it was all obvious...........its not to the OP.
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 6th Mar 18, 2:52 PM
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    Guys, seriously, I think there are way too many assumptions being made and, without more input from the OP, further discussion seems a little pointless. All points made have their merits but, taken out of context, probably fail to assist the OP towards a resolution of any kind.

    Everyone's situation is different and it seems it is far too often nigh impossible for those in a certain income bracket to have any insight into what life is like for people in very different circumstances. I have been guilty of this myself and no doubt will be again but I value the opportunity to learn from those whose experiences differ from my own.

    "Everybody be cool, it's just a normal day."
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    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 6th Mar 18, 2:54 PM
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    I understand English but not always drivel.

    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Strange that you say this and then write a post that is very fluent in it.

    There's no point talking to you. You can neither comprehend English nor express yourself fluently in it. I can only be thankful that in consequence, it is clear to anyone that taking your advice would be an extremely foolish thing to do.
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